Recent Chapter Discussion

[SSJ2]

Another absurdity with Oden taking 5 years to attack Kaido.. Why on earth would Oden not think to contact Whitebeard during this time? And on the flip side, why would Whitebeard not contact Oden during these years? After Roger died, WB would know that Oden returned to Wano. Oden was the strongest commander on his ship, and he was already reluctant to let him leave with the Roger pirates in the past. To think that both parties would forget about each other during this time is absurd. Oden + WB would have one-shotted the Beast Pirates.

 

[Captain Cadaver]

In defence of Oden not contacting Newgate, he'd only be able to do so by leaving Wano as he didn't seem to have a Den Den Mushi or anything and he probably wouldn't want to make the same mistake of leaving everyone in Orochi's clutches again. WB not contacting him, on the other hand, is indeed unless it gets explained he was busy with other territorial disputes in the New World.

 

[SSJ2]

I suppose so.

Also I forgot about Izo. You're telling me that Izo didn't visit Wano for over 20 years? He was one of Oden's retainers and Kiku's brother. It's absurd to think he would stay away for 20+ years.

The whole flashback was ruined as soon as Oden waited 5 years to attack. If the battle happened upon his return, these inconsistencies wouldn't exist.

 

[SSJ2]

A mediocre quality translation of 971 is out. First of all, the art seemed piss poor in this chapter. Kind of embarrassing when Oda had 2 weeks to make this chapter.

We find out that Oden fought Base Kaido when he charged Orochi's castle 5 years ago. Not much can be seen from that, but they looked to be pretty even with each other. Apparently Oden saved 100 lives by agreeing to become a fool, and this was done in apology to the Kurozumi clan. Oden agreed to do this after Orochi promised that there would be no more kidnappings of citizens, and that he and Kaido would leave Wano after building a certain amount of ships. I can't believe that Oden believed their promise. It also raises some serious questions about Oden's power. If he is as strong as what was shown against Roger and Whitebeard, it makes no sense that he would agree to a stalemate with Kaido. He should've been able to one shot Kaido, who is likely weaker than he is currently. What a mess.

 

[Captain Cadaver]

If he is as strong as what was shown against Roger and Whitebeard, it makes no sense that he would agree to a stalemate with Kaido. He should've been able to one shot Kaido, who is likely weaker than he is currently. What a mess.

Not only that, but we were even shown in the previous chapter he and a handful of his best retainers were capable of fighting on even footing against the entirety of the Hundred Beasts Pirates at the time and almost beat Kaido 1 V 1. How did he believe Orochi saying he'd lose if he went to war with them when they were weaker?

Honestly, this chapter is almost as dogshit as the one that came before it. Along with Oden's idiocy, it doesn't help how flat of a villain Orochi is shown to be. His background and rise had the potential to show him as an idealist who's desire for change of the status-quo lead to him making compromises until becoming a tyrant. Unfortunately, Oda lacks the talent to craft complex villains and what we get is someone with a one-dimensional vengeance motivator who's desires are told to us rather than shown. A complete waste of what could've been an engaging villain.

Despite the last two panels being meant to be some cool, epic speech, it comes off as the biggest case of unintentional comedy in the series. "So who's the Idiot Lord?!" Still Oden, the guy gullible enough to believe a guy who manipulated his way into power through deception and was fully intent on betraying his country and race would stay true to his word.

 

[SSJ2]

I also find it funny that Oden believed Kaido's promise that he will allow anyone who lasts 1 hour to live. Kaido, the same guy who was just laughing at Oden for believing his and Orochi's prior promises. Oda already made the point that Oden was naive, which proved to be a fatal mistake. Now we see that he hasn't learned anything and is still taking their empty promises to heart? Terrible writing.

 

[SSJ2]

[mention]Captain Cadaver[/mention] wasn't it also stated that Oden died at the castle, and Momonosuke witnessed it in person? If so that eliminates all of the current tension surrounding the execution. We already know the 9 samurai survive.

 

[Captain Cadaver]

Assuming Oda's not going to retcon it like he did King's lack of wings

 

[SSJ2]

Or Jack being the yugest 8 year old of all time

 

[Symbiote]

Im about to quit reading this shit.

 

[SSJ2]

972...

So we find out the "hour of legends" was completely pointless as Orochi/Kaido refused to keep Kaido's promise. What a garbage chapter

 

[SSJ2]

It's funny how Kaido suddenly became a man of honour in this recent chapter. How many promises did Kaido break in this flashback alone? He was laughing at Oden for believing in his word, but suddenly he is a man of respect lol. He was apparently pissed off that the Kurozumi hag interfered with the fight, but he still used that opening to destroy Oden.

 

[SSJ2]

973 was meh. It confirmed what I already thought about Denjiro being Kyoshiro and the Wotching Hour Boy. The rest of the chapter was fairly useless.

 

[SSJ2]

974 was ok. Kanjuro is apparently the traitor and his terrible drawings seemed to be an act. I figured it would be either him or the tranny, and I'm actually surprised it wasn't the tranny. Either way, for the Samurai not to even consider the possibility of the traitor despite Kaido making them aware of one 20 years ago proves their incompetence. When Jack showed up at Zou, that directly told us that they had the vivre card that only a few people might have had. Kanjuro being "caught" by Doflamingo and being released unharmed was suspect in its own right, and should have been a dead giveaway after the Zou incident. Stupid.

Kid joining the alliance now is retarded, considering he told Luffy there was no chance he would fight Kaido again. How things change within the span of 2 days.

 

[Captain Cadaver]

Yeah, the chapter was basically decent ideas with poor execution. Kid joining the alliance seemed like an obvious tick to the checklist of what had to happen mainly for fanservice reasons with he, Luffy and Law having been set up as a Worst Generation trio of sorts in Sabaody, but the absolute lack of stimulus for his change in motivation is terrible character writing. The traitor reveal had sufficient set up but, as you mentioned, the group having not suspected this for so long is asinine. Kanjuro only kidnapping Momonosuke is pretty elaborate as well when he could've easily just killed him not just here, but far earlier. He could've simply told Kinemon he'd look after Momo during the havoc in the Birdcage, said he'd look for a way out on his own and blame the death on one of Doffy's executives.
Also, has Kaido shrunk? He seems really small when talking to Orochi compared to his past appearances, about on par with reasonably tall but not giant characters such as the Admirals.

 

[SSJ2]

Wasnt he shown to be as tall as big mom when they fought? Oda is never consistent with height

 

[SSJ2]

Maybe Kaido is Bonney. She makes herself 1000 years old to take on his appearance.

 

[SSJ2]

Unfortunately the rest of the war feels somewhat predictable now. The alliance will storm onigashima and likely find themselves at a disadvantage due to manpower. Luffy powerup will probably surprise Kaido, but he will ultimately lose. Law will sacrifice himself to heal Luffy, and then Denjiro will arrive with all of the Samurai who were imprisoned - Nekomamushi will be a part of this as well. Big Mom will go berserk for unknown reasons and manage to damage Kaido, but then she dies in ecstasy after Sanji feeds her cake. Most of the Straw Hats will be out of commission after winning their fights like in alabasta, and it will be down to Kid and Luffy vs Kaido, and Sanji/Zolo and the strongest of the Samurai against Kaido's elite. Kid will have to swallow his pride and resort to weakening Kaido to allow Luffy to kill him in the final blow. Luffy is declared Pirate Queen. The end.

 

[SSJ2]

The events of 975 are exactly what I predicted. Talk about lame. They couldn't have held off Denjiro's arrival until a later point? All of the previous tension was erased in one manga panel with 5400 samurai suddenly arriving to support the alliance.

I find it hilarious that Luffy needed Gear 4 to take down 1 ship, and it was a combined effort from Kid and Law as well.

 

[SSJ2]

The events of 975 are exactly what I predicted. Talk about lame. They couldn't have held off Denjiro's arrival until a later point? All of the previous tension was erased in one manga panel with 5400 samurai suddenly arriving to support the alliance.

I find it hilarious that Luffy needed Gear 4 to take down 1 ship, and it was a combined effort from Kid and Law as well.