Recent Chapter Discussion

[SIAD]

@SIAD is going to cry after reading this

It is true, it is a sad moment, but I was very happy to see how Merus demonstrated a tremendous superiority of power over Moro (Current) and this in turn is far superior to UI Sing Goku.

The end of the chapter reminds me of the scene when Cell kills Android # 16 and Gohan unlocks the SSJ2.

I hope they revive Merus.

 

[Captain Cadaver]

Merus' staff seems more mechanical rather than magical in comparison to the Nyoibo, unless I'm misunderstanding your point.

Both still function near enough the same (only difference being a physical action for Merus' and a vocal command for the Nyoibo), which would suggest there may be devices similar or identical to the Nyoibo on other planets. Perhaps the Nyoibo is essentially an older version of this weapon. Considering the demystification of a lot of Part 1 elements from the start of Z to the end of the Cell Arc as well as in Super to some extent, it wouldn't be surprising for it to be revealed that the two items are connected somehow (assuming Toyotaro has any interest in making Merus' weapon more than a throwback).

 

[Future Warrior]

The fact that he needs to press a button on the staff feels more like it's been handmade by regular people. Also, we've seen Goku's staff extend pretty damn farther than what we've seen Merus' staff do. I don't discredit the possibility that there are other Nyoibo-like weapons on other planets though.

 

[Future Warrior]

The fact that he needs to press a button on the staff feels more like it's been handmade by regular people. Also, we've seen Goku's staff extend pretty damn farther than what we've seen Merus' staff do. I don't discredit the possibility that there are other Nyoibo-like weapons on other planets though.

Nyoibo feels a lot more inhuman and otherworldly in nature to me.

 

[Southern Gothic]

I thought this would be one-shot territory for Merus but I guess he's a lot weaker than Whis or something.

 

[Pocket-Gog~]

I thought this would be one-shot territory for Merus but I guess he's a lot weaker than Whis or something.

You underestimate the power of the GOAT. Moro is angel tier.

 

[Future Warrior]

I thought this would be one-shot territory for Merus but I guess he's a lot weaker than Whis or something.

He might be weaker than Whis, but I'm pretty sure he was holding back against Moro.

 

[SIAD]

I think that the last blow of Merus was completely serious and sent Moro to fly and also we must not forget that Merus was disappearing. We could even think that Merus did not want to kill Moro so that this uktimo could serve as training for UI Goku.

Most likely, Whis is still much stronger than Merus, since the latter is a small Angel.

I have Merus a little stronger than Gogeta PSSJB.

 

[SIAD]

I got to thinking in power scales and realized that there is a possibility that there is a big difference between UI over UI Sing.

At first, in the combat between UI Sing Goku and Moro they seemed to be on the same level. Then Moro made fun of Goku for thinking that Moro was using all his power. Later Moro made 2 Power Ups, which forced Goku to use more power in his UI Sing state (at the cost of losing his balance because he used more power than he could in that state).

At the beginning, Moro (FP) and UI Sing Goku (Beyond The Limits), were at the same level, but the latter quickly lost his balance due to forcefully using so much power, therefore he lost.

Then Moro before losing energy was comfortably surpassing Vegeta SSJBE (Post Yadart). Later Moro (OG73-I) far surpassed Vegeta SSJBE (Post Yadart).

In the recent chapter Moro (OG73-I) demonstrated a comfortable superiority over UI Sing Goku. Similar to the difference in power that Moro (FP) had over Vegeta SSJBE (Post Yadart). Therefore the difference between UI Sing Goku over Vegeta SSJBE (Post Yadart) is the same difference as Moro (OG73-I) over Moro (FP).

As for Merus, at first when she faced Moro, she didn't seem to use her full power, it was still like she was training. As Merus began to fight more seriously, her body began to disappear.

Everything seems to indicate that Merus gave everything or almost everything in the last blow he gave to Moro (OG73-I) and showed a huge difference in powers (surely the same difference in power that there is between Moro (OG73-I) over UI Sing Goku). It is also necessary to take into account that when Merus gave the final blow, his body was fading and it is also possible that Merus did not plan to kill Moro, but that he planned for Goku to become UI, so that he could defeat any enemy that could exist in the future apart from Moro. What I mean is that the difference between Merus over Moro (OG73-I) is too great.

The difference in powers between Whis over Merus is still unknown, most likely it is not small, because Merus is a small Angel.

If I had to make a list of Power Levels, this would be my list:

Vegeta SSJBE (Post Yadart) = 90

UI Sing Goku = 100
UI Sing (Beyond The Limits) = 125
UI (Possibly) = 156.25

Moro (Suppressed) = 100
(FP) = 125
(OG73-I) = 139

Beerus (Possibly) = 160

Broly LSSJ (Possibly) = 160.1

Vegetto SSJB (Arc Zamasu) (Possibly) = 163.84

Gogeta PSSJB (Possibly) = 200

Merus (fading) (Possibly) = 192
(FP) (Possibly) = 208 - 224

Whis (As minimum) = 240

What do you think?

 

[Let's Go Fearless!]

I expect two more chapters for this arc to end.

 

[SIAD]

If you can check this link:

http://www.dbzeta.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=18527

Here I explain a theory that occurred to me a few days ago and that if it turns out to be true, it could change the scales of power. I basically suspect that Moro and Goku surpassed the power of the Gods of Destruction.

 

[Pocket-Gog~]

 

[ahill1]

Have read the chapter.

I find it a little underwhelming to see Merus beating up on Moro and that the arc could be concluded just there if there wasn't this "Angels can't fight" universal rule. Contrary to the fight against Cell, we know that this time Moro isn't an unbeatable warrior.

All the reference to #16's last moments doesn't stick to me. It's not nearly as memorable as the latter one. Maybe because it's been repeated on, or because Moro was getting beated up... or because I was more impressionable back then.

Goku's answer to "you've saved Universe many times" from Merus matches a little his reaction from when Vegeta asked how many times he saved Earth in his battle against Kid Boo, but they went overboard on his carelesness in saving the Universe. It's true that Goku's top priority was always challenging himself, also echoed by Vegeta's statement during Goku vs Cell, but I feel that orignal manga Goku was more nuanced... there was a less irritable sense of "whatever" to things.

The conclusion that this arc is shaping up to take, with just another trigger for Goku to reach M.U.I (much like the ToP) is... boring. They could have made something different with Vegeta hitting the spotlight for once, but it seems not. At least I hope Vegeta's technique is used again in this fight. It'd be cool seeing him getting a hit on Moro and separating him.

 

[Future Warrior]

I never really had a problem with that section of Goku and Merus in the ROSAT. He did say that fighting his opponents again gives the added benefit of possibly having the villains transition to the good side. So really, there's mutual benefit for all sides of the party.

 

[ahill1]

I got to thinking in power scales and realized that there is a possibility that there is a big difference between UI over UI Sing.

At first, in the combat between UI Sing Goku and Moro they seemed to be on the same level. Then Moro made fun of Goku for thinking that Moro was using all his power. Later Moro made 2 Power Ups, which forced Goku to use more power in his UI Sing state (at the cost of losing his balance because he used more power than he could in that state).

At the beginning, Moro (FP) and UI Sing Goku (Beyond The Limits), were at the same level, but the latter quickly lost his balance due to forcefully using so much power, therefore he lost.

Then Moro before losing energy was comfortably surpassing Vegeta SSJBE (Post Yadart). Later Moro (OG73-I) far surpassed Vegeta SSJBE (Post Yadart).

In the recent chapter Moro (OG73-I) demonstrated a comfortable superiority over UI Sing Goku. Similar to the difference in power that Moro (FP) had over Vegeta SSJBE (Post Yadart). Therefore the difference between UI Sing Goku over Vegeta SSJBE (Post Yadart) is the same difference as Moro (OG73-I) over Moro (FP).

As for Merus, at first when she faced Moro, she didn't seem to use her full power, it was still like she was training. As Merus began to fight more seriously, her body began to disappear.

Everything seems to indicate that Merus gave everything or almost everything in the last blow he gave to Moro (OG73-I) and showed a huge difference in powers (surely the same difference in power that there is between Moro (OG73-I) over UI Sing Goku). It is also necessary to take into account that when Merus gave the final blow, his body was fading and it is also possible that Merus did not plan to kill Moro, but that he planned for Goku to become UI, so that he could defeat any enemy that could exist in the future apart from Moro. What I mean is that the difference between Merus over Moro (OG73-I) is too great.

The difference in powers between Whis over Merus is still unknown, most likely it is not small, because Merus is a small Angel.

If I had to make a list of Power Levels, this would be my list:

Vegeta SSJBE (Post Yadart) = 90

UI Sing Goku = 100
UI Sing (Beyond The Limits) = 125
UI (Possibly) = 156.25

Moro (Suppressed) = 100
(FP) = 125
(OG73-I) = 139

Beerus (Possibly) = 160

Broly LSSJ (Possibly) = 160.1

Vegetto SSJB (Arc Zamasu) (Possibly) = 163.84

Gogeta PSSJB (Possibly) = 200

Merus (fading) (Possibly) = 192
(FP) (Possibly) = 208 - 224

Whis (As minimum) = 240

What do you think?

Surely Beerus hasn't been surpassed by U.I Goku?

 

[SIAD]

I got to thinking in power scales and realized that there is a possibility that there is a big difference between UI over UI Sing.

At first, in the combat between UI Sing Goku and Moro they seemed to be on the same level. Then Moro made fun of Goku for thinking that Moro was using all his power. Later Moro made 2 Power Ups, which forced Goku to use more power in his UI Sing state (at the cost of losing his balance because he used more power than he could in that state).

At the beginning, Moro (FP) and UI Sing Goku (Beyond The Limits), were at the same level, but the latter quickly lost his balance due to forcefully using so much power, therefore he lost.

Then Moro before losing energy was comfortably surpassing Vegeta SSJBE (Post Yadart). Later Moro (OG73-I) far surpassed Vegeta SSJBE (Post Yadart).

In the recent chapter Moro (OG73-I) demonstrated a comfortable superiority over UI Sing Goku. Similar to the difference in power that Moro (FP) had over Vegeta SSJBE (Post Yadart). Therefore the difference between UI Sing Goku over Vegeta SSJBE (Post Yadart) is the same difference as Moro (OG73-I) over Moro (FP).

As for Merus, at first when she faced Moro, she didn't seem to use her full power, it was still like she was training. As Merus began to fight more seriously, her body began to disappear.

Everything seems to indicate that Merus gave everything or almost everything in the last blow he gave to Moro (OG73-I) and showed a huge difference in powers (surely the same difference in power that there is between Moro (OG73-I) over UI Sing Goku). It is also necessary to take into account that when Merus gave the final blow, his body was fading and it is also possible that Merus did not plan to kill Moro, but that he planned for Goku to become UI, so that he could defeat any enemy that could exist in the future apart from Moro. What I mean is that the difference between Merus over Moro (OG73-I) is too great.

The difference in powers between Whis over Merus is still unknown, most likely it is not small, because Merus is a small Angel.

If I had to make a list of Power Levels, this would be my list:

Vegeta SSJBE (Post Yadart) = 90

UI Sing Goku = 100
UI Sing (Beyond The Limits) = 125
UI (Possibly) = 156.25

Moro (Suppressed) = 100
(FP) = 125
(OG73-I) = 139

Beerus (Possibly) = 160

Broly LSSJ (Possibly) = 160.1

Vegetto SSJB (Arc Zamasu) (Possibly) = 163.84

Gogeta PSSJB (Possibly) = 200

Merus (fading) (Possibly) = 192
(FP) (Possibly) = 208 - 224

Whis (As minimum) = 240

What do you think?

Surely Beerus hasn't been surpassed by U.I Goku?

I think not, unless UI Goku (Current) outperforms his ToP counterpart.

 

[ahill1]

[mention]SIAD[/mention]

It was noticed by the bystanders warriors that Vegeta was still < Moro, right?

 

[SIAD]

@SIAD

It was noticed by the bystanders warriors that Vegeta was still < Moro, right?

Yes, they realized that Vegeta SSJBE was still not at Moro's level.

I would still dare to say that Vegeta SSJBE (Current) is an at least semi distant rival of UI Sing Goku, because Vegeta's blows made Moro slowly start to lose energy.

I have Moro (FP) being much stronger than UI Sing Goku, but the latter managed to use that state with even greater power, but he couldn't control it well and that's why he lost. Something similar to what happened to Future Trunks USSJ.

Beerus by not showing interest in Moro, gives us to understand that Moro (OG73-I) is not yet at the level of Beerus, UI Goku and Jiren (Beyond The Limits).

In general I have this:

UI Goku> Moro (OG73-I)> Moro (FP) = UI Sing Goku (Beyond Limits)> Moro (Power Up)> UI Sing Goku = Moro (Initial).

I have the same gap between Moro (OG73-I) over UI Sing Goku as Moro (FP) over Vegeta SSJBE (Post Yadart).

 

[Future Warrior]

@SIAD

It was noticed by the bystanders warriors that Vegeta was still < Moro, right?

He seemed to have surpassed Goku even in his Ultra Instinct ''Omen'' form though, interestingly enough.

 

[SIAD]

@SIAD

It was noticed by the bystanders warriors that Vegeta was still < Moro, right?

He seemed to have surpassed Goku even in his Ultra Instinct ''Omen'' form though, interestingly enough.

You mean Moro?