Recent Chapter Discussion

[SIAD]

So that we come with things, it is possible that after the ToP, Beerus began to train to maintain his supremacy over Goku.

UI Goku (ToP) was very close to matching Beerus, plus the former had better reactions. Therefore Beerus was not going to allow a mere mortal to overcome him.

With that we can easily say Beerus (Current) = Merus> = UI Goku = UI Moro >>> Moro (OG73I)> Broly LSSJ> = Beerus (Past)> = UI Goku (ToP)> = Jiren (Beyond Limits) >> Jiren (FP)> Vermoud.

The other possibility is that Shin and Goku (Anime) did not know 100% of Beerus.

What do you think?

 

[SSJ2]

[mention]ahill1[/mention]

http://www.dbzeta.net/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=18975

 

[ahill1]

Beerus also wanted to help against Moro after this latter took control of the Earth. Can't Moro have gotten worse and weaker after assuming the Earth's shape?

 

[Captain Cadaver]

That's a good point, considering he went from supposedly being equal in power and speed to UI Goku after using Merus' power to Goku easily blocking the attacks of his planet form. It is worth noting though that Beerus never acknowledged Goku having surpassed him or treat Moro as someone he could only have a certain victory against in his more limited planet form, so it still seems as though Beerus should at least be comparable to UI Goku if not above his power.

 

[SIAD]

Yes, it is possible that Beerus, Merus, UI Goku (Curent) and UI Moro are on the same level, only that Beerus has the advantage over them perhaps because of the Super Hakai he has and Moro could not freely use Merus's power for long time and as mentioned, the power of Moro Planeta could not be used very correctly.

It's worth noting that Beerus mentioned that UI Goku has the power of a God. It is also worth noting that UI Goku could not break the glass, because he was still somewhat injured and faced a more powerful version of Moro than Merus faced.

 

[ahill1]

I wonder why Oob could help with Goku regaining the U.I way more than Blue Vegeta could... could it be, as I raised somewhere before, that the U.I requires a more "raw" God chi, while the God and Blue transformations are still not that Godly? I wonder...

 

[Captain Cadaver]

Most likely. Vegeta made it pretty clear that UI is of a different type of God Ki than the various Super Saiyan God forms, and the nature of Dai Kaioshin's God Ki ought to be similar to that of the Hakaishin when they are counterparts to each other. The God transformations in terms of their God Ki quality are likely far less refined than those who have it naturally, considering Goku and Vegeta need those forms to emit and use God Ki.

 

[Future Warrior]

I wonder why Oob could help with Goku regaining the U.I way more than Blue Vegeta could... could it be, as I raised somewhere before, that the U.I requires a more "raw" God chi, while the God and Blue transformations are still not that Godly? I wonder...

This part kind of confused me too. There is the fact that Vegeta was already heavily drained by Moro when he gave his energy, but it's still raises an eyebrow. It's almost like they forgot that SSB also has godly ki.

 

[ahill1]

Yeah...

It's also worth noting, in regards to Kid Boo and consequently Oob having God chi, that the explanation they gave lied on the Evil Boo getting most if not all of Dai Kaioshin's God chi in the split... but that should be true only to Grey Boo and Super Boo... Kid Boo is the raw version of Boo, without the influence from any Kaioshin, so I don't see why he should be getting any God chi when he didn't split off Fat Boo to begin with.

 

[Captain Cadaver]

Perhaps it was due to the unnatural way of Good Boo being removed through being torn out caused it to dissipate from him and remain in the Evil Boo's body when he returned to being Pure Boo. That's the only explanation I can give, considering Pure Boo having taken Dai Kaioshin's God Ki was ultimately just a contrivance to not have the arc end early and lacked much thorough explanation.

 

[Papasmurf]

Boo being unable to naturally utilize God Ki due to not having trained in using it (similar to Moro inflating when using Angel power) is the only explanation I can give for why most Boo forms were on SSJ3~SSJ3 Gotenks level without absorbing Gohan and shit like that. On top of that, Fat Boo clearly didn't retain some of Dai Kaioshin's powers like ki sensing, so Boo's absorptions obviously work differently when he absorbs a godly being like a Kaio

This chapter was ungodly levels of bad, but last month set the bar so low that even this one was passable by comparison I suppose.

 

[Pocket-Gog~]

Kid Buu and the fat Kaio both having God Ki is just flat out retarded. It literally makes no sense with the Buu arcs story. I remember when people would have mocked that same idea on Kanzenshuu, but now everyone loves it.

 

[SSJ2]

People's standards seem to get lower and lower. I can't tolerate such ebola.

 

[Ultimate Cell]

I saw a bunch of retards on twitter give this arc a 8/10 or 9/10. Even giving this shit a 4/10 is too generous

 

[Papasmurf]

1/10 is too generous and I seldom gave scores lower than 2 until Super came around

 

[Captain Cadaver]

Kid Buu and the fat Kaio both having God Ki is just flat out retarded. It literally makes no sense with the Buu arcs story. I remember when people would have mocked that same idea on Kanzenshuu, but now everyone loves it.

Dai Kaioshin having had God Ki makes sense at least when the Kaio/Kaioshin clearly had something similar that stopped them from being sensed or having their energy fuel Boo's cocoon and the way in which Dai Kaioshin loses the God tier power made sense at least. The real problem is how Pure Boo/Oob inherited it when Dai Kaioshin gave up all his God Ki to use the Kai Kai Matoru. How are you supposed to inherit something when its amount is zero?

 

[Papasmurf]

Kid Buu and the fat Kaio both having God Ki is just flat out retarded. It literally makes no sense with the Buu arcs story. I remember when people would have mocked that same idea on Kanzenshuu, but now everyone loves it.

Dai Kaioshin having had God Ki makes sense at least when the Kaio/Kaioshin clearly had something similar that stopped them from being sensed or having their energy fuel Boo's cocoon and the way in which Dai Kaioshin loses the God tier power made sense at least. The real problem is how Pure Boo/Oob inherited it when Dai Kaioshin gave up all his God Ki to use the Kai Kai Matoru. How are you supposed to inherit something when its amount is zero?

Maybe Boo's infinite stamina restored the godly power, like how Gotenks was fused inside Boo for 30 minutes despite being absorbed as an SSJ3. Of course, this still makes no sense when Boo couldn't even use said godly power, but I never said DBS usually makes any sense

 

[Pocket-Gog~]

Kid Buu and the fat Kaio both having God Ki is just flat out retarded. It literally makes no sense with the Buu arcs story. I remember when people would have mocked that same idea on Kanzenshuu, but now everyone loves it.

Dai Kaioshin having had God Ki makes sense at least when the Kaio/Kaioshin clearly had something similar that stopped them from being sensed or having their energy fuel Boo's cocoon and the way in which Dai Kaioshin loses the God tier power made sense at least. The real problem is how Pure Boo/Oob inherited it when Dai Kaioshin gave up all his God Ki to use the Kai Kai Matoru. How are you supposed to inherit something when its amount is zero?

Toyo wanted Dai Kaioshin to be SSJB+++ so Uub is relevant, realized it made no sense with Kid Buu being SSJ3 and tried to justify it. I still think its an incredibly sloppy retcon that just makes past events make so much less sense in context. Dragon Ball Super's most consistent quality is that it somehow makes the overall story less coherent and worse.

 

[Papasmurf]

So how powerful would DBS Super Oob (Oob + Dai Kaioshin/Good Boo) be? Angel tier?

 

[Pocket-Gog~]

So how powerful would DBS Super Oob (Oob + Dai Kaioshin/Good Boo) be? Angel tier?

Far stronger than all the useless jobbers who make up the Z fighters that's for sure.