Recent Chapter Discussion

[Son Gokū]

Next chapter is great.

 

[SIAD]

Only 2 Dragon Balls? Is it then that UI Goku (Current) will have the same power as Beerus, but the latter is superior due to his Hakai technique?

Granola will now become the strongest character in Universe 7. Does it mean that he will surpass even Whis? Or at least Broly, Beerus, Goku, Merus?

 

[Southern Gothic]

This either ends with Goku becoming an Angel and Vegeta becoming a GoD, or this will be the biggest case of blue balls ever.

 

[SSJ2]

Better chapter than most in recent memory. I find this whole notion of Vegeta feeling guilt for the Saiyan's past to be extremely dumb. I'd much preferred if the focus was solely on his own actions, like the killing of Namekians, killing earthlings, and so on. Vegeta never gave a fuck about the Saiyans. Why is he suddenly shouldering the guilt for all of their actions to the point that it's stopping him from getting stronger? Seems like negative character progression.

 

[Captain Cadaver]

Vegeta: Someone strong enough to destroy galaxies at this point.
Also Vegeta: In awe of Beerus blowing up a planet .

Other than that, this was one of the few decent chapters in Super. Vegeta needing to get over what sense of loss for his people remains is one of the few times in which his character is given the potential for growth beyond that coming from regression and acts as a good parallel to Granolah's own character arc. The information revealed about the Heeters perhaps suggests they'll actually be morally grey characters and not just one-dimensional villains and the reveal that Namekians came from another dimension is surprisingly fitting with how the Super DBs weren't of Namekian origin and magic is often associated with other realms (eg. the Makai), not to mention how long the Namekian race have been around (at least 75 million+ years due to Rou Dai Kaioshin knowing of them). It's also nice that it shows how you don't necessarily need to create 7 Dragon Balls and it's more depending on the will of the creator, making the new set seem quite natural. That said, I'm surprised by how lacking in egregious material this chapter is. Seems the broken Toyo clock can be right twice a day after all.

 

[Ultimate Cell]

Vegeta: Someone strong enough to destroy galaxies at this point.
Also Vegeta: In awe of Beerus blowing up a planet .

Other than that, this was one of the few decent chapters in Super. Vegeta needing to get over what sense of loss for his people remains is one of the few times in which his character is given the potential for growth beyond that coming from regression and acts as a good parallel to Granolah's own character arc. The information revealed about the Heeters perhaps suggests they'll actually be morally grey characters and not just one-dimensional villains and the reveal that Namekians came from another dimension is surprisingly fitting with how the Super DBs weren't of Namekian origin and magic is often associated with other realms (eg. the Makai), not to mention how long the Namekian race have been around (at least 75 million+ years due to Rou Dai Kaioshin knowing of them). It's also nice that it shows how you don't necessarily need to create 7 Dragon Balls and it's more depending on the will of the creator, making the new set seem quite natural. That said, I'm surprised by how lacking in egregious material this chapter is. Seems the broken Toyo clock can be right twice a day after all.

Wasn't vegeta referring to Beerus use of hakai/ destruction energy?

 

[Captain Cadaver]

It can be inferred, but nothing about it is really specified and the appearance is far different from what we've seen before (it looking like a standard Ki blast as opposed to have the Thanos snap-esque dissolving effect like what Goku used against Zamasu), not to mention his physical demonstration of it being on a planet is obviously very underwhelming. Vegeta also shouldn't have been so surprised by it if it was Hakai considering he's seen even Galu use it before.

 

[Ultimate Cell]

Its honestly kinda sad how much character growth tracetoro is giving vegeta while goku gets left in the dust and remains a naive dumbass

 

[Future Warrior]

Vegeta needing to get over what sense of loss for his people remains is one of the few times in which his character is given the potential for growth beyond that coming from regression and acts as a good parallel to Granolah's own character arc.

Where was this said in the chapter?

 

[SSJ2]

egeta needing to get over what sense of loss for his people remains is one of the few times in which his character is given the potential for growth beyond that coming from regression

It just feels out of place to me. When did Vegeta ever care about the Saiyans/regret their actions after the Freeza arc? Were they ever mentioned again in the original manga?

 

[Captain Cadaver]

Where was this said in the chapter?

Beerus makes it apparent that Vegeta still hasn't fully gotten over the near extinction of the Saiyans.

It just feels out of place to me. When did Vegeta ever care about the Saiyans/regret their actions after the Freeza arc? Were they ever mentioned again in the original manga?

He clearly cared about their suffering (albeit, likely his own more than others') during his death on Namek. His regret towards his past actions would also extend to those of the Saiyan race as a whole.

 

[Future Warrior]

Beerus makes it apparent that Vegeta still hasn't fully gotten over the near extinction of the Saiyans.

I'm asking where was this said. All I see him saying is that he feels guilty about the sins his race has caused, nothing about him being depressed over the loss of them.

 

[Captain Cadaver]

He wouldn't be as angry at the revelation Beerus gave Freeza the idea to destroy Planet Vegeta as he was if he didn't care much about the loss of most of his race. It's not as if Beerus was the one to also tell Freeza what to do with the survivors, so arguing it was due to his own personal suffering wouldn't add up either.

 

[Future Warrior]

He wouldn't be as angry at the revelation Beerus gave Freeza the idea to destroy Planet Vegeta as he was if he didn't care much about the loss of most of his race. It's not as if Beerus was the one to also tell Freeza what to do with the survivors, so arguing it was due to his own personal suffering wouldn't add up either.

I'm not saying he doesn't care about losing his race, but it was more about what the race meant to him personally rather than having emotional empathy for the people within them. Nobody who feels that way would kill their own kin in cold blood. Maybe we don't disagree on this front.

Personally I think he feels that he lost his rightful heir to the throne more than anything.

 

[Captain Cadaver]

Yeah, I'm not saying he's fully empathetic towards them, just that the loss of his race in general is important to him by enough losing them and the implications that come with it (a loss of birthright, lack of strength to have done anything about Freeza at the time, etc.) still weigh upon him.

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

New chapters were surprisingly good. This ought to be better than the Moro Arc.

MUI Goku > Beerus is a thing for sure now right? The way Goku is getting worried about catching up with the Angels now makes me think he is. Makes sense that one’s control of the UI state would be a measure stick for their power.

 

[SSJ2]

Absolutely not. Beerus is portrayed as the top dog in chapter 69.

 

[Pyro]

Nah, Goku wants nothing to do with Beerus after he whooped Vegeta's ass again.

 

[SIAD]

I don't know if Beerus and Giku are on the same level, considering that Beerus commented that UI Goku is on the level of the Gods of Destruction. Maybe Beerus's Hakai makes him superior to UI Goku. Or maybe Vermouth is shot material compared to the other Destroyer Gods.

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

I don't know if Beerus and Giku are on the same level, considering that Beerus commented that UI Goku is on the level of the Gods of Destruction. Maybe Beerus's Hakai makes him superior to UI Goku. Or maybe Vermouth is shot material compared to the other Destroyer Gods.

When did Beerus say Goku was Hakaishin level?

I really doubt Belmond is one shot material to the others. He trapped everyone in his Ki spheres and they almost died to him.