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Vegeta still got a lot stronger. He trashed Rose Black and Goku even says it wouldn't take long the way it was going. Goku also defers to Vegeta to attack Black and Zamas before they fuse, but Vegeta didn't attack so Goku had to.

I use a see a 4 or 2x multiplier from Red to Blue as fitting, mainly due to the Hit fight.
 

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Future Warrior said:
So we are just gonna forget that RoF ever existed? Even though it was stated to happen in the manga?

It did happpen but the power chain was retcon like Base/God Goku.
 

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Herms translation of the recent chapter.

Page 1
DBS ch.22: Zamasu’s Last Resort
Vertical text: “Now, even the gods are…”
Kaioshin: “Lord Gowasu” [repeat three times]

Page 2
1
Black: “Hmph!”
3
Kaioshin: “[r] Gods are supposed to guide the universe towards peace, yet you do this…! [l] I’ll make you pay for this…!”
5
Zamasu: “Uh-oh!”

Page 3
3
Zamasu: “That’s rich, coming from a god too weak to govern the universe.”
5
Trunks: “[r] Lord Gowasu! You can’t die! [l] Open your eyes…!!”

Page 4
1
Gowasu: “Huh”
2
Gowasu: “[r] Cough [l[ cough”
3
Mai: “He…He’s alive…!”
Gowasu: more coughing
4
Mai: “[r] Kaioshin!!! [l] Lord Gowasu is still alive!!”
6
Black: “What?”
7
Black: “Did I miss his vitals…?”

Page 5
1
Black: “[r] If I leave you guys alive, you’ll just teleport away again. [l] So I’ll kill all of you, starting with the Kaioshins.”
2
Trunks: “Mai! Take Lord Gowasu and use this bike to get as far away from here as you can.”
Mai: “What about you, Trunks…?!”
3
Trunks: “I’ll hold him off until father and Goku get here.”
Mai: “That’s crazy…!!”
4
Trunks: “Go!!!”
5
Trunks: “Dah!!!!”

Page 6
4
Goku: “It’s OK, Trunks and Mai are still alive.”
5
Vegeta: “Darn, they’re pretty far away.”
6
Goku: “Oh no! Trunks’ ki is falling.”
Vegeta: “Is he fighting?”
7
Goku: “Hurry, Vegeta!”

Page 7
3
Trunks: “Fa…Father…”
4
Vegeta: “Hmph”
Goku: “So Kaioshin came here too…!”
5
Black: “Back again, huh?”
7
Vegeta: “[t] I’ll beat him. You feed those two Senzu.”

Page 8
1
Goku: “Can you manage on your own?”
2
Vegeta: “Of course.”
3
Vegeta: “Weren’t you going to seal away the immortal Zamasu?”
Goku: “OK, I’ll do that.”
5
Black: “Hmph”
7
Goku: “Trunks!!!”
8
Goku: “Sorry I’m late Trunks. You held out well. [l] Here’s a Senzu.”

Page 9
1
Zamasu: “I won’t allow this!”
4
Zamasu: “Keh!”
7
Zamasu: “So he got away?...”

Page 10
4
Mai: “Goku…!”
5
Goku: “[r] Hey! [l] Sorry for the wait!”
6
Mai: “[r] Um…[l] If you’ve got Senzu, you should give one to Lord Gowasu first.”
7
Goku: “Huh? Who?”

Page 11
2
Black: “[r] You look the same to me. [l] So what’s changed, Vegeta?”
3
Vegeta: “[r] Hmph…[l] You look as repellent as ever.”
4
Black: “[r] Pretty spunky. [l] Did you get a new transformation or something?”
5
Vegeta: “Did I?”

Page 12
1
Black: “[r] No matter the transformation [l] You’ll never beat me!”
3
Vegeta: “Hah!!!!”
5
Black: “What?”

Page 13
2
Black: “[r] Red hair…?! [l] Super Saiyan God?”
3
Black: “What are you up to?”
Vegeta: “I think you know...”
4
Vegeta: “That I need this form to beat you.”
5
Black: “[r] Hahaha…Vegeta, have you gone mad from despair? [l] What could you do as an inferior Super Saiyan?”
7
Black: “[r] …[l] What’s that look for?”

Page 14
1
Black: “Don’t smirk at me, Saiyan!!!”

Page 15
2
Black: “I thought I told you to lose…”
3
Black: “That expression!!!”

Page 16
3
Black: “Guh!!!”
5
Black: “[r] Nuh…Mumuh…[l] You suddenly got a lot faster…”
6
Black: “What did you do?...
7
Vegeta: “[r] What did I do? [l] Let me show you.”

Page 17
2
Black: “Where is your body getting such power…?!”
6
Vegeta: “Hah!!!”

Page 18
2
Black: “Kuh!!!”

Page 19
3
Black: “Gah!!!!”

Page 20
1
Black: “[r] Don’t toy with me… [l] You’re using some sort of incomprehensible technique…
2
Vegeta: “[r] Oh, don’t you like losing to God? [l] Mr. Rosé.”
3
Black: “[r] I’ve lost? [l] That’s a good one!”
4
Vegeta: “[r] Hmph [l] Then let’s settle this once and for all.”

Page 21
2
Goku: “Phew…Glad I made it in time.”
3
Trunks: “We owe you one, Goku.”
4
Goku: “Gowasu was in a tight spot too!”
5
Gowasu: “I never imagined there was anything like this on Earth…”
6
Kaioshin: “My apologies for using your precious Senzu.”
Goku: “[t] Don’t mention it. You saved Trunks, after all.”
7
Goku: “Still…This means there’s only one Senzu left.”
8
Goku: “[r] Well, no biggie. [l] Vegeta’ll just have to beat Black, and I’ll seal up Zamasu.”

Page 22
1
Trunks: “Huh? Does that mean you’ve learned the Mafuba, Goku…?!
2
Goku: “Yep, I’ve got it down pat!”
3
Goku: Oh, this one’s the time machine?”
4
Goku: “You can have it then.”
5
Goku: “This is it.”
8
Goku: “I’ll seal him in this jar.”
Mai: “…Plums?” [the jar is marked “plums”]
9
Goku: “See, gramps was using it to store pickled plums.”

Page 23
4
Trunks: “That’s…Black!!!”
7
Trunks: “What form…is father in?!”
Goku: “That’s Super Saiyan God.”
8
Goku: “It’s the form before Blue.”
Trunks: “The one before?!”
9
Trunks: “But…He’s holding his own against Rosé Black.”

Page 24
1
Goku: “Vegeta’s thought this through.”
2
Goku: “Super Saiyan Blue’s got amazing power, but can’t be held for long. God’s more balanced on that point, and uses up less stamina.”
Trunks: “But then…How’s he fighting Black with this ‘God’ form…?”
3
Goku: “He ain’t doing it as God! Watch close.”
Trunks: “Huh?!”
4
Goku: “[r] Just at the instant he attacks [l] Vegeta turns into Blue.”

Page 25
1
Trunks: “He can do that? Amazing…”
Goku: “He’s saving up Blue’s power, then letting it rip for just a moment.”
2
Kaioshin: “Isn’t that the same strategy you used against Hit?”
Goku: “Yeah, but back then I could only go Blue once and that was it.”
3
Goku: “[r] Vegeta’s doing that again and again. [l] And his power doesn’t drop either! He’s trained a bunch.”
5
Black: “[t] I get it…[l] You’ve been transforming in secret….”
6
Vegeta: “[r] Finally noticed, huh? [l] But noticing won’t help you.”

Page 26
3
Zamasu: “[r] Let’s take him out together. [l] That way, we’ll have the upper hand.”
4
Goku: “There he is!”
5
Goku: “[r] You guys hide here. [l] I’ll go seal him up!”

Page 27
1
Goku: “Hey, Zamasu!”
2
Goku: “You’re supposed to be a Kaioshin, right? Proud warriors should fight one-on-one. Don’t butt in!”
4
Zamasu: “…Will you fight me?”
5
Goku: “Yep, I’ll take you on!”
8
Black: “[r] …[l] What’s with that jar?”

Page 28
4
Vegeta: “Shouldn’t you stay focused?”
5
Vegeta: “Hmph”

Page 29
1
Zamasu: “[r] Don’t you get it? I’m immortal. [l] I can’t lose.”
2
Goku: “You may be immortal Zamasu, but this technique’ll finish you!”
5
Goku: “Take this! Mafuba!!!!”

Page 30
2
Zamasu: “[t] Oh…! Ooooooh…!!!!”

Page 31
1
Zamasu: “Wha…What is this…?!!!”
4
Goku: “Tsuah!!!!”
5
Goku: “I did it!!!”
6
Kaioshin: “Oh!”
Trunks: “It worked?!”

Page 32
1
Goku: “Trunks! Give me a hand!”
2
Trunks: “[r] Ah…[l] Yes sir!”
4
Trunks: “Is this OK?”
Goku: “Yep! Now we just gotta stick the charm on!”
7
Goku: “Huh?!!”
Trunks: “What’s this?...”
9
Roshi: “[r] He didn’t take the charm…[l] He took my hostess bar discount coupon by mistake…”

Page 33
2
Goku: “Damn!!!”
3
Mai: “Huh?!”
5
Zamasu: “[r] Huh [l] Huh”
6
Goku: “[r] This…[l] might be a problem…”

Page 34
2
Vegeta: “[r] That bastard [l] He blew it!”
3
Zamasu: “[r] Wh…What was that technique?...[l] That was a close call…”
4
Zamasu: “In that case, I’ll just keep on fighting until you’re all dead…!!!”
5
Goku: “[r] …Oh well…[l] Guess that kinda technique just ain’t my thing.”
6
Goku: “Hah!!!!”

Page 35
1
Trunks: “Huh?! Goku, you’ve got red hair now too…?”
Goku: “The Mafuba used up a lot of my stamina, so I wouldn’t be able to hold Blue for long now.”
2
Goku: “[r] Still [l] This should be enough to handle you.”
4
Zamasu: “Hah!!!”
5
Goku: “Whoops!”
6
Goku: “I gotta watch out for that paralysis thing!”

Page 36
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Zamasu: “[r] Are you deaf or something? [l] I told you, I can’t take any damage...”

Page 37
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Zamasu: “Uguh!!!”
4
Zamasu: “Kah…”
5
Zamasu: “Phew”
6
Zamasu: “How many times do I have to tell you? It’s no use!”
8
Goku: “[r] I don’t care if it’s no use…[l] All I can do now is keep fighting until you say ‘uncle’.”

Page 38
2
Black: “Shit…You little nobody….”
3
Vegeta: “[r] You stole the wrong body! [l] Time to finish this.”
4
Black: “Kuh!”
Goku: “Sounds like he’s wrapping things up.”
5
Goku: “Are you gonna keep doing bad stuff even on your own?”
7
Goku: “You can’t do nothing alone! You should know that better than anyone, right? Doesn’t it suck to be bossed around by your other self?”
8
Zamasu: “[r] …! [l] Silence! Be silent, mortal!”

Page 39
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Goku: “[r] Frankly, as-is you’re weaker than even Trunks by yourself. [l] Just being immortal won’t allow you to kill everyone in the universe.”
2
Zamasu: “…Our plan is perfect…I won’t allow it to fail”
3
Trunks: “It looks like he’s taken some psychological damage…!”
4
Zamasu: “Hah!!!!”
7
Goku: “Give up and go back to your own universe, Zamasu!”

Page 40
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Zamasu: “Shit…This…This can’t be happening…”
5
Zamasu: “Damn it all…”
7
Black: “Get up! What did you even become immortal for?!”

Page 41
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Zamasu: “You never said things would turn out like this!!!”
4
Zamasu: “If we teamed up, the universe would be our oyster! Isn’t that what you said?!”
5
Zamasu: “If you’re not stronger than anyone else, then what’s the point?!”
6
Goku: “Are they having a spat?”
Vegeta: “…It’s over.”

Page 42
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Vegeta: “[r] Will you be killed by me? [l] Or kill each other? Choose!”
4
Black: “Calm down, brother.”
5
Black: “We still have that last resort, right?”
6
Zamasu: “That…That’s right.”
7
Vegeta: “If you don’t choose, then I’ll just kill you.”
Goku: “…? ‘Last resort’?”

Page 43
3
Goku: “Oh no! Vegeta, attack now!!!
Vegeta: “What?!”
5
Goku: “Cheh!!!!”

Page 44
3
Vegeta: “What’s the idea, Kakarot?!”
5
Kaioshin: “Don’t…”
6
Kaioshin: “Don’t tell me…”

Page 45
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Zzaammaassuu: “Rejoice mortals, that you may see this form.”
4
Zzaammaassuu: “[t] This is the birth of the one god of all the universes… Zamasu.”
Vertical text: “The wickedest god is born…!!”
 

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Vegeta is only like 10% stronger then Rose. This whole Dragonball Super has no concept of power levels. It's just like they think they can get a slight edge for every transformation, it' written like any other anime, it just does not correlate at all.

People should be getting wrecked. Dragonball very rarely has good fights, people are generally getting fucking manhandled.
 

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Yep, makes sense. Which is why I can't follow the story. Dragonball is all about power. I prefer power done properly, not foolishly. He did it in a cool way back in the day. Now things are slopped together in a cash grab.
 

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Eh, Goku Black manhandled SSB Vegeta pretty much. I mean yeah, he didn't 1-shot him but 1-shot gaps aren't always consistent.
 

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Future Warrior said:
Eh, Goku Black manhandled SSB Vegeta pretty much. I mean yeah, he didn't 1-shot him but 1-shot gaps aren't always consistent.

Not in Vegeta's case with his insane durability.
 

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He wasn't losing that badly. He's not getting dropped repeatedly. Reecome whooped his ass much more easily. So Black is probably only 1.1-1.2x stronger than Vegeta. Later, Vegeta is probably only that much stronger than Black.

As I said, there's like no improvement in power at all.

That bullshit where Base Goku was able to deal with HIT at all while Super Saiyan Fucking Blue Vegeta couldn't get it done. Such bullshit.
 

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p123 said:
He wasn't losing that badly. He's not getting dropped repeatedly. Reecome whooped his ass much more easily. So Black is probably only 1.1-1.2x stronger than Vegeta. Later, Vegeta is probably only that much stronger than Black.

As I said, there's like no improvement in power at all.

That bullshit where Base Goku was able to deal with HIT at all while Super Saiyan Fucking Blue Vegeta couldn't get it done. Such bullshit.

I think that was SSjin Goku who fought Hit then later as SSG.
 

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Either way, Super Saiyan should be a turd in the toilet bowl compared to Super Saiyan God. Or else, what was the point of all of this shit?
 

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SSJB > SSJG >> SSJB 10% > SSJ, but SSJ Goku did better than the weakened SSJB Vegeta even in base due to anticipating Hit's surprise attacks.... yeah AT isn't following the conventions he set in the old series.
 

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So basically Super Saiyan Blue is about as strong as Super Saiyan 3 used to be. Lol. And boy oh boy, can you feel the lack of power. All of these bullshit transformations feel so weak. And what the fuck is up with this God bullshit. 6 Saiyans join together and make a God? Pfffft. Super Saiyan 4 at least was logical.
 

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Vegeta whooped Black, Black whooped Vegeta, Vegeta whooped Black, now Lord Zamasu will whoop Vegeta and Goku.
 

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Atem King of Niger said:
SSJB > SSJG >> SSJB 10% > SSJ, but SSJ Goku did better than the weakened SSJB Vegeta even in base due to anticipating Hit's surprise attacks.... yeah AT isn't following the conventions he set in the old series.

So what is your multipliers of all these forms? :gay
 

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Based on the kind of scaling we've been given, the current multipliers are imo probably something like:

SSJ - 25x base
SS2 - 50x base
SS3 - 100x base
SSG - 250x base
SSB - 312.5x base

That's assuming we go by the anime statement of SS2 Goku being dozens of times stronger than Base Goku. If ignoring it for the manga canon due to Base Goku's impressive feats, just divide all the multipliers by 10.
 

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Captain Cadaver said:
Based on the kind of scaling we've been given, the current multipliers are imo probably something like:

SSJ - 25x base
SS2 - 50x base
SS3 - 100x base
SSG - 250x base
SSB - 312.5x base

That's assuming we go by the anime statement of SS2 Goku being dozens of times stronger than Base Goku. If ignoring it for the manga canon due to Base Goku's impressive feats, just divide all the multipliers by 10.

That is if we ignore the statement in the anime that Goku SSJ2 is dozens of times stronger than its Base state. You would:

Base = 1
SSJ = 2.5
SSJ2 = 5
SSJ3 = 10
SSJG = 25
SSJB = 31.25
 

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p123 said:
So basically Super Saiyan Blue is about as strong as Super Saiyan 3 used to be. Lol. And boy oh boy, can you feel the lack of power. All of these bullshit transformations feel so weak. And what the fuck is up with this God bullshit. 6 Saiyans join together and make a God? Pfffft. Super Saiyan 4 at least was logical.

6 Saiyans join together WITH A PURE HEART and make a God. :gay
 

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