Recent Chapter Discussion

[Papasmurf]

 

[Let's Go Fearless!]

We need Toyotaro's emoticon as well.

 

[supersaiyangodgogeta]

There is nothing wrong with Shin's statement. Vegito>Beerus. Shin knows about Beerus's power because he does. It's not like random fans can prove that Shin doesn't know.

Merged Zamasu with his Halo was stated to be above the Gods in the anime, so Vegito is much stronger than Beerus since he still has the advantage even after Zamasu uses the Light of Justice.

BOG SSJG Goku is about 60% of Beerus anyway, so Vegito is going to be stronger than Beerus unless he isn't even twice as strong as Goku and Vegeta.

 

[Let's Go Fearless!]

There is nothing wrong with Shin's statement. Vegito>Beerus. Shin knows about Beerus's power because he does. It's not like random fans can prove that Shin doesn't know.

Merged Zamasu with his Halo was stated to be above the Gods in the anime, so Vegito is much stronger than Beerus since he still has the advantage even after Zamasu uses the Light of Justice.

BOG SSJG Goku is about 60% of Beerus anyway, so Vegito is going to be stronger than Beerus unless he isn't even twice as strong as Goku and Vegeta.

Are you talking about anime SSG Goku? Because his SSjinB with KK10x is still weaker than Beerus.

 

[supersaiyangodgogeta]

Nothing implies that Kaioken Goku is below Beerus. Not when Beerus was scared of x2 and Whis had to call him out on being in trouble against it. Especially not when Champa was scared of Goku & Hit together. Especially not when Kaioken Goku was stronger than Merged Zamasu whom was stated to be above the Gods. Would kaioken Goku beat Beerus? No, since he could just outlast it like Champa told Hit to do.

 

[Let's Go Fearless!]

Nothing implies that Kaioken Goku is below Beerus. Not when Beerus was scared of x2 and Whis had to call him out on being in trouble against it. Especially not when Champa was scared of Goku & Hit together. Especially not when Kaioken Goku was stronger than Merged Zamasu whom was stated to be above the Gods. Would kaioken Goku beat Beerus? No, since he could just outlast it like Champa told Hit to do.

WTF?

Beerus wasn't scared, he was surprised that Goku can multiplied his power 10x of SSjinB and might surpass Beerus soon at that rate.

KK SSjinB Goku is stronger than Merged Zamasu? Go home you're drunk dude.

Champs even said he would kill Hit even knowing that Hit is in the league of SSjinB KK10x that should tell you how weak Hit is compare to the Hakaishins.

 

[supersaiyangodgogeta]

Beerus was scared of x2 Kaioken. Goku used x2 Kaioken and Beerus started sweating with Whis calling him out on being in trouble against it. Makes no sense for Beerus to be in trouble against something that's weaker than him, let alone to the extent that you're suggesting. At x2 Kaioken, not x10. Construing Beerus to be stronger than x2 Kaioken let alone x10 makes zero sense.

x2 Kaioken Goku overpowered Merged Zamasu and destroyed his Halo. Only after Zamasu powers up with the Light of Justice does fusion become necessary to fight him.

Champa can kill Hit. And? Hit's power isn't anywhere near Kaioken. He was only relevant due to his time skip.

SSJG Goku is 60% of Beerus.

 

[Let's Go Fearless!]

This guy is insane! Hhmmp...

 

[Future Warrior]

So Vegeta and Goku already surpassed Beerus by the time of the Goku Black arc despite being stated to be weaker than him in episode 72?

 

[supersaiyangodgogeta]

Who said anything about them surpassing Beerus? They're weaker than him in Super Saiyan Blue, their strongest state.
Using an amping technique isn't surpassing someone. Goku can fire a Kamehameha that can overpower Merged Zamasu whom is>Beerus. If Goku surpassed Beerus with Kaioken, then you should say that he surpassed him with his Kamehameha. That doesn't make Goku stronger than Beerus.

And Beerus didn't say anything about Goku being weaker than him in episode 72 even though he is indeed weaker. All he said is that Goku repeatedly lost to him in response to Goku saying that he wouldn't let anyone beat him and get away with it.

 

[Future Warrior]

I'm pretty sure he said he was at a higher level then them.

You must have like a 1% boost for SSB. Don't forget that Base Goku > SSj God Goku (BOG), stated by Kuririn in the RoF arc, and he can stack the Super Saiyan forms on top of that, not to mention the 3 years of training in the RoSaT. Also factoring in SSj Rose Goku Black's amount of Zenkai's that he got and was still stated to be weaker than Beerus by the producer. Even not factoring in Kaio-Ken, they shouldn't even be nearing 60%.

 

[supersaiyangodgogeta]

He didn't say anything like that but it isn't wrong. Though as I said before, an amping technique doesn't count as surpassing someone. Goku didn't surpass Merged Zamasu with his Kamehameha.

Krillin didn't state that Base Goku>SSJG Goku. He just stated that Goku vs Freeza gave him an indescribable sense of fear unlike with Beerus. I'm not seeing how that refers to the battles power, but the mood. Goku vs Freeza is a more serious battle than Goku vs Beerus, which was comparably more light hearted.

I made a PL list for Super just fine with 6-10-15 all the way up to the current episode and I have Super Saiyan Blue 1.1x stronger than Super Saiyan God.

 

[Papasmurf]

What's the point of stating Vegetto's surpassed Beerus if Beerus himself can do an amped technique to shift the tides in his favor? The only question is in whether or not Shin truly knows Beerus' absolute FP, not the validity of Vegetto surpassing what he assumes to be Beerus' peak.

 

[Pyro]

Was Zamasu trying to eradicate all the other gods with his genocide attack? That's what his statement implies, but his attack doesn't seem to stretch beyond part of the planet.

 

[Papasmurf]

I would assume he'd already obliterated all life other than the two gods who are already there (+ the 4 humans), or he's simply so delusional he thinks raining over a small area will kill everything.

 

[Papasmurf]

It's weird too because Toyotaro's art in the last 3 chapters hasn't been bad, he could easily draw blasts extending out of Earth and striking other gods or whatever if he wanted to.

 

[SIAD]

I've been thinking the following, as Atem King of Niger said, Shin thinks maybe Vegetto SSJB beats Beerus. That depends on Shin knowing all the power of Beerus.

I personally see this as when Piccolo wonders if Goku SSJ 50% was all his power. I think Shin does not know all the power of Beerus for the same reason. However I see this speculative chain possible: Vegetto SSJB (Final Kamehameha)> = Beerus >> Vegetto SSJB> = Beerus (Shin Estimation). It all depends on what they show us in the future of the series.

 

[Let's Go Fearless!]

It depends how would Beerus react when he hears this from Kaioshin.

 

[Pocket-Gog~]

I don't give a fuck about Shin's statement. SSB Vegetto >>>>>>> Beerus.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> SSB Vegetto

 

[Pocket-Gog~]

So his name is Vegerrot not Vegetto?

No it's not Vegerrot. Goku's Saiyan name is Kakarotto, not Kakarot.