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2kewl4u said:
We didn't see the manga version of Freeza and Goku/Vegeta's fight so who's to say that Freeza has the same stamina issue? Maybe he can just stay Golden like an MSSJ can stay in Super-Saiyan (Goku at the Cell-Games notably). He surely must have learned from his stamina problem on Namek.

His defeat by time-reversal was the same in the manga, so he must have lost to Blue :galu for some reason. He also dropped back to base after fighting Kale to conserve stamina, so he definitely can't stay in the form forever even if he's refined it.
 

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Mr. Giraffe said:
2kewl4u said:
We didn't see the manga version of Freeza and Goku/Vegeta's fight so who's to say that Freeza has the same stamina issue? Maybe he can just stay Golden like an MSSJ can stay in Super-Saiyan (Goku at the Cell-Games notably). He surely must have learned from his stamina problem on Namek.

His defeat by time-reversal was the same in the manga, so he must have lost to Blue :galu for some reason. He also dropped back to base after fighting Kale to conserve stamina, so he definitely can't stay in the form forever even if he's refined it.
He lost power but was still in Golden Form? That's a possibility.

Yeah, but so does MSSJ. Kind-off.
 

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Mr. Giraffe said:
He also dropped back to base after fighting Kale to conserve stamina, so he definitely can't stay in the form forever even if he's refined it.
He was still messing around in the form with Caulifla and implied to have not been going all out against Kale, so I wouldn't say his stamina drain is still a factor if he's fine to use it so casually.
 

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So, I read the new chapter and despite some uncreative action shots and Jiren having shitty stamina, the chapter was surprisingly not terrible. One traced panel is still better than many moments of reused animation and doesn't waste any time just for the sake of pretty colours, so the fight is better than in the anime. The use of Ultra Instinct Omen is also done better as Goku couldn't just instantly react to Jiren's attacks and could only avoid them doing serious damage until he gradually got more used to the form, which makes the jump into true Ultra Instinct far more of a change than it just being the same as UIO but with beefed up stats. Jiren is also given a decent motivation for his wish as well as some decent irony to go along with his unconscious dependence on another, rather than just being alien Batman who can only talk about "muh strength". Finally, whilst him being weakened down to the level two Base Saiyans can get the better of him, that scene at least served the purpose on being the payoff to Whis' advice that Goku and Vegeta used teamwork and it makes sense how good they are when they try due to having fought many battles together and having fused twice. By comparison, Galu and Freeza suddenly making a good team came out of nowhere.

So yeah, all the important factors of the climax against Jiren are far better in the manga thus far.
 

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Captain Cadaver said:
So, I read the new chapter and despite some uncreative action shots and Jiren having shitty stamina, the chapter was surprisingly not terrible. One traced panel is still better than many moments of reused animation and doesn't waste any time just for the sake of pretty colours, so the fight is better than in the anime. The use of Ultra Instinct Omen is also done better as Goku couldn't just instantly react to Jiren's attacks and could only avoid them doing serious damage until he gradually got more used to the form, which makes the jump into true Ultra Instinct far more of a change than it just being the same as UIO but with beefed up stats. Jiren is also given a decent motivation for his wish as well as some decent irony to go along with his unconscious dependence on another, rather than just being alien Batman who can only talk about "muh strength". Finally, whilst him being weakened down to the level two Base Saiyans can get the better of him, that scene at least served the purpose on being the payoff to Whis' advice that Goku and Vegeta used teamwork and it makes sense how good they are when they try due to having fought many battles together and having fused twice. By comparison, Galu and Freeza suddenly making a good team came out of nowhere.

So yeah, all the important factors of the climax against Jiren are far better in the manga thus far.

Galu and Freeza teaming up to take out Jiren will likely be the same in the manga, considering many of the events are the same (17's self-destruction, MUI's shitty stamina costing Galu, etc)
 

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Considering Jiren's already being overpowered by the Base Saiyans, I doubt it. Unlike his anime self, manga Freeza hasn't been forced out of his Golden form and wasn't noted to have been weakened by the few blows he took from Jiren (and realistically shouldn't when even #17 could defend against one) so the most likely way I see this going down is the Base Saiyans being eliminated and Freeza disposing of Jiren.
Still, Freeza can't be the winner of the ToP if everyone's going to be revived, so maybe Jiren will get a momentary adrenaline boost to defeat or severely weaken Freeza before running out of power completely, with #17 asspulling his way out of death.
 

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Yeah, I'm thinking his determination will provide an adrenaline boost for him to defeat the base Saiyans and Freeza, while being forced out of the ring in the process. I personally thought it's probable that Freeza would have a tsundere moment and rescue Galu to remind him again that he promised he'd resurrect him, when Jiren defeats both base Saiyans.
 

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Mr. Giraffe said:
I personally thought it's probable that Freeza would have a tsundere moment and rescue Galu to remind him again that he promised he'd resurrect him, when Jiren defeats both base Saiyans.
As though Movie Vagita didn't have enough tsundere moments. :et

Alternatively, if I were to give Toyotaro way more credit than I would expect of his average writing quality, I could see the possibility of Jiren eliminating everyone through the adrenaline boost with there being no plot armoured #17. Thus, the return to the status-quo is through Jiren's wish to revive all the other universes along with his master out of respect for the teamwork Goku and Vegeta showed being what his master had always wished of him.
 

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Captain Cadaver said:
Mr. Giraffe said:
I personally thought it's probable that Freeza would have a tsundere moment and rescue Galu to remind him again that he promised he'd resurrect him, when Jiren defeats both base Saiyans.
As though Movie Vagita didn't have enough tsundere moments. :et

Alternatively, if I were to give Toyotaro way more credit than I would expect of his average writing quality, I could see the possibility of Jiren eliminating everyone through the adrenaline boost with there being no plot armoured #17. Thus, the return to the status-quo is through Jiren's wish to revive all the other universes along with his master out of respect for the teamwork Goku and Vegeta showed being what his master had always wished of him.

While that'd be better than #17 crawling out from the grave to steal the show, I can't see that happening with the combined disasters of Tracetaro and :troll, plus :troll was the one who requested to Toei that they beef up #17.
 

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Could be that #17 would get his moment to shine in an alternative way by having him recommend to Jiren using U7's Dragon Balls to revive Gicchin if the Super DBs can't revive him and multiverses of a separate cause of destruction at once.

That is just wishful thinking though and most likely, :troll and Tracetaro will simply fap #17 more than Pocket-God does. :manabu
 

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#17 will definitely be fapped enough to make Pocket-fag cringe. Considering Toyo has homaged (read: traced) the Metal Coola army with the MZ army, it's more than probable that #17 will just crawl out from the debris saying his barrier kept him alive similar to GT Galu and S17 :ladd
 

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I like that the manga didn't try to make Goku edgy to the point it was cringe like Toei did. Goku still had emotions and talked normal.
 

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2kewl4u said:
I like that the manga didn't try to make Goku edgy to the point it was cringe like Toei did. Goku still had emotions and talked normal.

Galu was about as edgy as MUH NAKAMA!! Luffy or Natsu tho'. Just turned to a cliche than anything else.
 

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Galu in the Jiren fight just preached more about friendship moreso than about edge
 

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Reading #41 just know, and why the fuck there's a panel with every Hakaishin reacting when Goku masters UI? Aren't they all supposed to be erased other than Beerus and JokerBelmond?
 

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Cool chapter, even if it's a carbon copy of Black Arc's ending and made once again MUI as pointless as fusion. People who watched the anime, was Jiren's personality and backstory as fleshed out as in the manga?
 

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GreatSaiyaman123 said:
Reading #41 just know, and why the fuck there's a panel with every Hakaishin reacting when Goku masters UI? Aren't they all supposed to be erased other than Beerus and JokerBelmond?
Those were the Hakaishin from the universes that didn't need to participate.

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People who watched the anime, was Jiren's personality and backstory as fleshed out as in the manga?
His backstory was, though it was far more generic as all it came down to was his parents dying and his later allies dying as well, leading to him becoming obsessed over the idea of absolute strength. In other words, if you took Batman's backstory and gave him a permanent hard-on for a higher battle power. Anime Jiren is also a lot more boring due to being a complete stoic throughout most of the tournament and his talk of strength being absolute is far blander when he's completely lost the motivation for achieving further strength and has no desire to revive his parents or allies.
 

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His wish was never revealed in the anime, so he could just want his parents and possibly allies resurrected as well as this Gicchen guy.
 

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