SSJ2s DB Levels

[SSJ2]

@ahill1 that's a good point. I think the fact that Namu had already witnessed the after image in the tournament would help him to be ready for it. He also seemed like a more refined martial artist in general. I do have them about equal though

 

[SSJ2]

@GreatSaiyaman123 What kind of gap do you think Tao Pai Pai had over Goku initially? The way he was manhandling Bora with 2 fingers makes me think it's multi-fold, possibly as much as 5x.

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

Goku’s Kamehameha ruined his clothes even though Tao blocked it. I’m not sure how cloth durability works, but it seems like a smaller gap than Goku vs Old Daimao.

 

[SSJ2]

I don't think clothing durability is a thing. Wtf lmao.

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

Some people don’t even lose their shirts when tanking blasts

 

[SSJ2]

Lol come on man.

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

Tell that to Goku’s pants on Namek

I’m not sure how to compare Goku vs Tao and Goku vs Bora because Tao actually used a spear to kill Bora, and we don’t know how Bora compares to Goku. We do see Goku take a kick from Tao and Tao apparently needs to block Goku’s Kamehameha though.

 

[SSJ2]

Honestly the spear is irrelevant. He was dominating Bora with 2 fingers and even launched him into the sky. He at least had to kick Goku and was surprised that he survived the attack. I think Bora is at best around 21st Goku\Jackie level.

 

[SSJ2]

wowww this sucks hard

Fuck you faggot.

 

[ahill1]

Fuck you faggot.

I can't read power levels anymore, forgot how to analyse them

But that may have been prime ahill's opinion, so it was fact

 

[Power Level Guy]

Oh this is good. I'm planning on doing a DB refresh ever since I adopted a lower Kamehameha starting point. This should be interesting!

I've adopted the Great Ape Fist = Oozaru Goku logic as well, which completely changes how DB scaling is done as well.

 

[SSJ2]

I'd be interested to talk about part 1 for sure. I don't think it gets enough attention.

 

[Power Level Guy]

I'd be interested to talk about part 1 for sure. I don't think it gets enough attention.

Nope. And Part 1 is solid gold. It's a great fun journey that slowly turns into the epic series we all love. Definitely looking forward to it. Just catching up on some work now, I got something big coming down the pipeline in a few months.

 

[Power Level Guy]

Goku: 10

Yamcha: 8

Krillin: 7

Carrot Master: 2.5

Bear Thief: 2

Wow, you have Goku 5x the Bear Thief. Holy moly. I've never seen it that large. Where the hell do you have Farmer?

Yamcha: 26
-Wolf Fang Fist: 27.5

This is definitely wrong. Jackie Chun went from dog walking Yamcha to being legitimately concerned. WFF has to be something like 1.1x at minimum if not a bit more. It's a legit respectable attack.

Beginning of Dragon Ball

Goku: 10

Oozaru Goku: 100

Son Gohan: 275

Hell no. You know I'm going to have a major problem with this. So what's the narrative? Oozaru Goku had to kill Gohan in his sleep or Gohan would have one shot killed him? Nah, man.

 

[SSJ2]

Hold up, this is 5 years old and doesn't reflect my current views. You can still go through it if you want and we can discuss it, but I don't agree with this list now.

Wow, you have Goku 5x the Bear Thief. Holy moly. I've never seen it that large. Where the hell do you have Farmer?

Yeah I don't see a problem with it. Bear Thief was nothing to Goku. I think AT was trying his best to make it clear how ridiculously powerful Goku was in the beginning. He was casually tossing cars around, I think being that far ahead of Bear Thief is possible.

This is definitely wrong. Jackie Chun went from dog walking Yamcha to being legitimately concerned. WFF has to be something like 1.1x at minimum if not a bit more. It's a legit respectable attack.

Yeah I agree. It's still odd that Yamcha has an attack capable of that big of a boost when amplification was so dismal early on.

Hell no. You know I'm going to have a major problem with this. So what's the narrative? Oozaru Goku had to kill Gohan in his sleep or Gohan would have one shot killed him? Nah, man.

Why not? There is no narrative when it comes to this. Krillin nearly killed Vegeta when he dropped his guard. The gaps there are comparable. Nowhere in the manga is it implied that Son Gohan and Oozaru Goku had a conventional battle.

 

[SSJ2]

Also Farmer would probably be like 0.1 on this scale. Goku is already so far beyond the ordinary.

 

[Power Level Guy]

Hold up, this is 5 years old and doesn't reflect my current views. You can still go through it if you want and we can discuss it, but I don't agree with this list now.

Why don't you update the list and we can start over. Do you want to start a new thread?

Yeah I don't see a problem with it. Bear Thief was nothing to Goku. I think AT was trying his best to make it clear how ridiculously powerful Goku was in the beginning. He was casually tossing cars around, I think being that far ahead of Bear Thief is possible.

I don't have much of an issue with it so long as you aren't nerfing Bear Thief. You do have him >>> a regular human, right? He's a monstrous 25 foot bear that would smash the Pterodactyl.

Bear Thief should be 5x Farmer at minimum imo.

Yeah I agree. It's still odd that Yamcha has an attack capable of that big of a boost when amplification was so dismal early on.

Awesome. I want to see the updated list!

Why not? There is no narrative when it comes to this. Krillin nearly killed Vegeta when he dropped his guard. The gaps there are comparable. Nowhere in the manga is it implied that Son Gohan and Oozaru Goku had a conventional battle.

There is always a narrative. Your levels paint a picture SSJ2.

So if your life depends on it, you are going with the idea that Oozaru Goku killed Gohan by a complete fluke and Gohan could have easily one shotted him? That's really the narrative you think AT was trying to portray and would have agreed to?

 

[Power Level Guy]

Also Farmer would probably be like 0.1 on this scale. Goku is already so far beyond the ordinary.

Damn! Well, hmm. The issue I have here is the Rabbit Gang is legitimately beating the crap out of a defenseless Goku. I have a hard time seeing Goku being more than 10x their power or whatever.

 

[SSJ2]

I’ll blast through the manga again and try to make a new list.

But yeah I’m not nerfing Bear Thief, I could probably raise him a touch but then you run into issues. Monster Carrot >> Bear Thief and yet got destroyed by Goku with no effort. It’s hard to imagine the rabbit gang being anywhere near Goku considering. I think it’s the same as the Krillin/Vegeta situation. If Goku isn’t putting effort into defending himself then he isn’t using his full power.

So if your life depends on it, you are going with the idea that Oozaru Goku killed Gohan by a complete fluke and Gohan could have easily one shotted him? That's really the narrative you think AT was trying to portray and would have agreed to?

Think about it though, Goku can only transform at night and was instructed by Gohan to never look at the full moon. So it’s likely that Goku awoke in the middle of the night and accidentally looked at the moon. He wouldn’t have done so when Gohan was awake. Gohan was then crushed before he’d have a chance to react…

That’s how I’ve always viewed it.

 

[Power Level Guy]

Monster Carrot >> Bear Thief

How did you come to that conclusion? His speed?

If Goku isn’t putting effort into defending himself then he isn’t using his full power.

It's possible without knowing how to properly use his ki, he can't do much as well for defense. But it's weird to think about Freeza taking any damage from a gang of Nails.

Think about it though, Goku can only transform at night and was instructed by Gohan to never look at the full moon. So it’s likely that Goku awoke in the middle of the night and accidentally looked at the moon. He wouldn’t have done so when Gohan was awake. Gohan was then crushed before he’d have a chance to react…

You've always viewed it that Gohan could easily one shot people who could one shot Oozaru Goku?