Why are you still watching DragonBall Super?

[Papasmurf]

I think it's a combination of censorship bein' stricter than it used to be and AT writing for a slightly younger audience

 

[theallpowerfulpuipui]

The nostalgia factor is what keeps us watching despite all the complaining. Not that we never complained about stuff in DB/Z, but it's like every episode has some issues, and very little pay off when cool things do happen.

The ones I feel bad for are the new fans who are introduced to the franchise through Super..... Like people who started with GT...... Luckily though, if they like Super, they are guaranteed to love the original!

Nothing beats being introduced through the '53' episode Ocean dub.

 

[Fantastische Hure]

Dragon Ball Z/Dragon Ball is meant for teenagers I thought, while Super is for an even younger audience?

It says Shonen. So young boys, I'd assume.

 

[Future Warrior]

Dragon Ball Z/Dragon Ball is meant for teenagers I thought, while Super is for an even younger audience?

It says Shonen. So young boys, I'd assume.

Which can mean teens. Super is more censored due to the schedule of it's air time, as evident by a miniscule amount of blood and Roshi's nose bleeds replaced with smoke.

 

[Fantastische Hure]

Dragon Ball Z/Dragon Ball is meant for teenagers I thought, while Super is for an even younger audience?

It says Shonen. So young boys, I'd assume.

Which can mean teens. Super is more censored due to the schedule of it's air time, as evident by a miniscule amount of blood and Roshi's nose bleeds replaced with smoke.

Also times have changed. Children's TV-Shows used to be able to get-away with a lot more back in the day.

 

[Jerk Store]

It's weird though because while the manga was published in Shonen Jump and the anime showed most (excluding Gero squeezing that dude in the cars head clean off, did that manga only scene make it into Shonen Jump?) and at times had a lot of blood and shit..... But yeah, it was meant for young boys, like 9-10 years old.

Super is meant for the same audience, but the show is very toned down.

Seems to be two issues, time slot and changing of the times. Because DB/Z was meant for the same basic age range, but had more graphic violence because back in the 80's and 90's things were less restrictive. Prime time slot for DB/Z, and morning slot for Super also affect it probably.

It's like, if you look at old school Looney Tunes to the newer age Looney Tunes shit, there is a huge difference in the toony violence department.

 

[Fantastische Hure]

It's weird though because while the manga was published in Shonen Jump and the anime showed most (excluding Gero squeezing that dude in the cars head clean off, did that manga only scene make it into Shonen Jump?) and at times had a lot of blood and shit..... But yeah, it was meant for young boys, like 9-10 years old.

Super is meant for the same audience, but the show is very toned down.

Seems to be two issues, time slot and changing of the times. Because DB/Z was meant for the same basic age range, but had more graphic violence because back in the 80's and 90's things were less restrictive. Prime time slot for DB/Z, and morning slot for Super also affect it probably.

It's like, if you look at old school Looney Tunes to the newer age Looney Tunes shit, there is a huge difference in the toony violence department.

It's not only violence. A-lot of things got toned-down. I was shocked to see recently, when I re-watched one of the early episodes of Detective-Conan how there was a blatant cocaine and drug reference in the show and that was even shown. Just not called by its name cocaine. They did acknowledge it was a drug though and Conan even sniffed it. It was about murder and drug dealing. That was weird, since I heard drugs were supposed to be a taboo in Japan. Also more minuscule stuff like Conan getting hit by Kogoro for comedic effect don't happen anymore, since child abuse might be called on it these days.

 

[Let's Go Fearless!]

I can understand the complain how everything is toned down but when the haters starts to talk about how ridiculous the power ups and inconsistencies of the power scalling etc., that's what pissed me off. DBZ has lots of that too but everyone accepts it.

 

[Fantastische Hure]

I can understand the complain how everything is toned down but when the haters starts to talk about how ridiculous the power ups and inconsistencies of the power scalling etc., that's what pissed me off. DBZ has lots of that too but everyone accepts it.

It didn't have a lot. Most everything could be explained. Maybe a few things here and there, but an exception doesn't make the rule.

 

[Let's Go Fearless!]

I can understand the complain how everything is toned down but when the haters starts to talk about how ridiculous the power ups and inconsistencies of the power scalling etc., that's what pissed me off. DBZ has lots of that too but everyone accepts it.

It didn't have a lot. Most everything could be explained. Maybe a few things here and there, but an exception doesn't make the rule.

Explain by theory? Sure, I can list of 10 things of ridiculous power ups in DBZ too but at the end it's all about the plot where logic may or may not apply there.

 

[Fantastische Hure]

I can understand the complain how everything is toned down but when the haters starts to talk about how ridiculous the power ups and inconsistencies of the power scalling etc., that's what pissed me off. DBZ has lots of that too but everyone accepts it.

It didn't have a lot. Most everything could be explained. Maybe a few things here and there, but an exception doesn't make the rule.

Explain by theory? Sure, I can list of 10 things of ridiculous power ups in DBZ too but at the end it's all about the plot where logic may or may not apply there.

No, explain because they make sense. For example it was clear as day in the manga that the humans have basically reached their limit and could never catch-up with the Saiyans again.

 

[Let's Go Fearless!]

There's no such thing as limit in DBZ. They always break it and goes beyond to their limits. Similarly, if you watch the Freeza arc, SSjin is Goku's absolute's best power and it almost looks that it's unsurpassable then fast forward 4 years, initial SSjin Goku is the weakest SSjin tier ever. It's all about plot.

Also, the opening theme song of the upcoming arc is called ''limits breaker'' so everyone goes beyond to their limits and that's genius from the GOATs :toei

 

[Fantastische Hure]

There's no such thing as limit in DBZ. They always break it and goes beyond to their limits. Similarly, if you watch the Freeza arc, SSjin is Goku's absolute's best power and it almost looks that it's unsurpassable then fast forward 4 years, initial SSjin Goku is the weakest SSjin tier ever. It's all about plot.

Also, the opening theme song of the upcoming arc is called ''limits breaker'' so everyone goes beyond to their limits and that's genius from the GOATs :toei

Then why were the humans so irrelevant for most of DragonBall Z? This is just too convenient. You are trying hard to cover for Toei.

 

[Let's Go Fearless!]

There's no such thing as limit in DBZ. They always break it and goes beyond to their limits. Similarly, if you watch the Freeza arc, SSjin is Goku's absolute's best power and it almost looks that it's unsurpassable then fast forward 4 years, initial SSjin Goku is the weakest SSjin tier ever. It's all about plot.

Also, the opening theme song of the upcoming arc is called ''limits breaker'' so everyone goes beyond to their limits and that's genius from the GOATs :toei

Then why were the humans so irrelevant for most of DragonBall Z? This is just too convenient. You are trying hard to cover for Toei.

Oh, as for the humans, they can get stronger too but there are too many Saiyans that needs a spotlight for the show and you can't have them all at the same time. Super Saiyans has become the focal point of the series and huge marketing even a meme as well. Piccolo was the only one who was able to keep up with them but faded later in the series but let's no forget that Piccolo is one of if not, the most haxed character ever in the series as well with unnecessarry power ups out of nowhere. And it's all about plot really.

 

[Fantastische Hure]

There's no such thing as limit in DBZ. They always break it and goes beyond to their limits. Similarly, if you watch the Freeza arc, SSjin is Goku's absolute's best power and it almost looks that it's unsurpassable then fast forward 4 years, initial SSjin Goku is the weakest SSjin tier ever. It's all about plot.

Also, the opening theme song of the upcoming arc is called ''limits breaker'' so everyone goes beyond to their limits and that's genius from the GOATs :toei

Then why were the humans so irrelevant for most of DragonBall Z? This is just too convenient. You are trying hard to cover for Toei.

Oh, as for the humans, they can get stronger too but there are too many Saiyans that needs a spotlight for the show and you can't have them all at the same time. Super Saiyans has become the focal point of the series and huge marketing even a meme as well. Piccolo was the only one who was able to keep up with them but faded later in the series but let's no forget that Piccolo is one of if not, the most haxed character ever in the series as well with unnecessarry power ups out of nowhere. And it's all about plot really.

Plot apparently also means you can get bullshit power-ups with no explanations. At least Piccolo had some explanations for his power-ups, such as fusing.

 

[Let's Go Fearless!]

Then why were the humans so irrelevant for most of DragonBall Z? This is just too convenient. You are trying hard to cover for Toei.

Oh, as for the humans, they can get stronger too but there are too many Saiyans that needs a spotlight for the show and you can't have them all at the same time. Super Saiyans has become the focal point of the series and huge marketing even a meme as well. Piccolo was the only one who was able to keep up with them but faded later in the series but let's no forget that Piccolo is one of if not, the most haxed character ever in the series as well with unnecessarry power ups out of nowhere. And it's all about plot really.

Plot apparently also means you can get bullshit power-ups with no explanations. At least Piccolo had some explanations for his power-ups, such as fusing.

Let's see, Piccolo with 3K power level and "trained" in King Kai's place for 6 days and [by meditating] and after he went to Namek he already surpass the likes of Ginyu force and the Captain Ginyu himself according to the PL purists around here. And what's more, that's just 6 days by meditating and he already surpassed Goku who went two types of training and one of them was with King Kai and the other was 100x gravity with zenkai and Piccolo surpassed that by his ''training'' in ''6 days''. What does that tell you?

Another ridiculous power of Piccolo is that he went as being weaker or slightly stronger than Base Goku [Namek] to surpassing the likes of Yadrat SSjin Goku and Initial SSjin Trunks by his ''training''. What does that tell you?

If he can get 100x stronger by just training then he could have gotted stronger during his 6 months preparation against the Saiyans easily and might get stronger than Nappa himself. It's all about plot man, whether it is bullshit or not we just have to accept it. If you accept the ridiculous powers from Z but not from Super then that just makes you a hypocrite or a double standard.

 

[Fantastische Hure]

Oh, as for the humans, they can get stronger too but there are too many Saiyans that needs a spotlight for the show and you can't have them all at the same time. Super Saiyans has become the focal point of the series and huge marketing even a meme as well. Piccolo was the only one who was able to keep up with them but faded later in the series but let's no forget that Piccolo is one of if not, the most haxed character ever in the series as well with unnecessarry power ups out of nowhere. And it's all about plot really.

Plot apparently also means you can get bullshit power-ups with no explanations. At least Piccolo had some explanations for his power-ups, such as fusing.

Let's see, Piccolo with 3K power level and "trained" in King Kai's place for 6 days and [by meditating] and after he went to Namek he already surpass the likes of Ginyu force and the Captain Ginyu himself according to the PL purists around here. And what's more, that's just 6 days by meditating and he already surpassed Goku who went two types of training and one of them was with King Kai and the other was 100x gravity with zenkai and Piccolo surpassed that by his ''training'' in ''6 days''. What does that tell you?

Another ridiculous power of Piccolo is that he went as being weaker or slightly stronger than Base Goku [Namek] to surpassing the likes of Yadrat SSjin Goku and Initial SSjin Trunks by his ''training''. What does that tell you?

If he can get 100x stronger by just training then he could have gotted stronger during his 6 months preparation against the Saiyans easily and might get stronger than Nappa himself. It's all about plot man, whether it is bullshit or not we just have to accept it. If you accept the ridiculous powers from Z but not from Super then that just makes you a hypocrite or a double standard.

No, it doesn't. You don't understand anything. Piccolo might have got ridiculous power-boosts in DragonBall Z, but until the Cell Saga he was never stated to have hit his limit anyway so it made sense in a way. Now every irrelevant character that hasn't been relevant in literally decades can become relevant. If you can't see that, then you are the idiot, not me.

I'm not only talking about humans getting stronger too, but some bullshit like mid-battle power-ups too, without no fuckig explanations on :toei :toei :toei 's part.

 

[Let's Go Fearless!]

No, it doesn't. You don't understand anything. Piccolo might have got ridiculous power-boosts in DragonBall Z, but until the Cell Saga he was never stated to have hit his limit anyway so it made sense in a way. Now every irrelevant character that hasn't been relevant in literally decades can become relevant. If you can't see that, then you are the idiot, not me.

I'm not only talking about humans getting stronger too, but some bullshit like mid-battle power-ups too, without no fuckig explanations on :toei :toei :toei 's part.

I said it before and I'll say it again, there's no such thing as limit in the DB franchise but sometimes they'll hit their limit and surpass it later on. Even Krillin thought he doesn't have a potential yet he does have a potential and Guru unlocked it. So limit is just an excuse that's all. Then again, that's the story or plot wants them to be and so be it. Whether its ridiculous or not we just have to admit that's Toriyama/Toei's way that's all.

Humans getting stronger was explained, they've been training simple as that. There was a time when everyone complained why the Saiyans are the only group that taking the spotlight and now Toei/Toriyama are giving the humans a spotlight so eat it while it last. It's simple really.

 

[Papasmurf]

Limits don't mean shit in DBZ or Vegeta would've never improved past his Majin self

 

[Fantastische Hure]

No, it doesn't. You don't understand anything. Piccolo might have got ridiculous power-boosts in DragonBall Z, but until the Cell Saga he was never stated to have hit his limit anyway so it made sense in a way. Now every irrelevant character that hasn't been relevant in literally decades can become relevant. If you can't see that, then you are the idiot, not me.

I'm not only talking about humans getting stronger too, but some bullshit like mid-battle power-ups too, without no fuckig explanations on :toei :toei :toei 's part.

I said it before and I'll say it again, there's no such thing as limit in the DB franchise but sometimes they'll hit their limit and surpass it later on. Even Krillin thought he doesn't have a potential yet he does have a potential and Guru unlocked it. So limit is just an excuse that's all. Then again, that's the story or plot wants them to be and so be it. Whether its ridiculous or not we just have to admit that's Toriyama/Toei's way that's all.

Humans getting stronger was explained, they've been training simple as that. There was a time when everyone complained why the Saiyans are the only group that taking the spotlight and now Toei/Toriyama are giving the humans a spotlight so eat it while it last. It's simple really.

Except their limit has been established and capped at for decades. I can understand Vegeta, especially since they say this bs "Saiyans don't have limit" thing now. Humans never had a hint or relevancy for ages.