Yo so this is indisputable fact

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Feats wise, that seems to be the case. As crazy as it sounds. We can dismiss it as nonsense, but it is true. Hell, M8 Piccolo probably can perform similar feats as well. So it's all of the Z Team that is technically on a Quadrant Busting Level.
 

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Feats wise, that seems to be the case. As crazy as it sounds. We can dismiss it as nonsense, but it is true. Hell, M8 Piccolo probably can perform similar feats as well. So it's all of the Z Team that is technically on a Quadrant Busting Level.

Once again, it's likely Broly was only destroying civilizations rather than the galaxy itself. The context of the movie supports this.
 

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Where does it say he was only destroying civilizations? Do you think he's not capable of easily blowing up a planet?
 

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Planet and civilization can be interchangeable in this context.
 

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Where does it say he was only destroying civilizations? Do you think he's not capable of easily blowing up a planet?

He's capable of easily blowing up a planet, afterall he one-shots a planet bigger than New Vegeta with a basketball-sized ki blast. But that's not the point. The point is that Broly was wiping out civilizations rather than the planets themselves.

Herms:
So...it seems a little inconsistent. The narrator at the start just describes the Southern Galaxy as having "fallen under Super Saiyan attack". But later, Goku refers to Broli as having "destroyed" the Southern Galaxy, and Kaio at the start says "at this rate even my Northern Galaxy will be destroyed", implying the Southern Galaxy has been destroyed, or will be destroyed soon. Then when Paragus outlines his plan for universal domination, he says his empire would include the North, East, and West Galaxies...but conspicuously fails to mention the South Galaxy, implying it's not there to be ruled any more.

On the other hand, Paragus describes the Legendary Super Saiyan as "wreaking havoc all over an area of the Southern Galaxy", while Kaio tells Goku that the Legendary Super Saiyan has "already finished tearing up the Southern Galaxy". Most importantly, after telling Goku this, Kaio then instructs him to "go check the Southern Galaxy". At which point Goku teleports to a planet filled with ruins. So even if the Southern Galaxy has been "destroyed" in some sense, at least part of it is still there.

On that note, after Goku thinks to himself that Broli is the one who "destroyed" the Southern Galaxy, he shortly thereafter semi-repeats himself, saying that Broli is the Super Saiyan who "ran riot through" the Southern Galaxy. So it seems like all this makes the most sense if we treat "destroy" in this context as meaning that Broli attacked/laid waste/etc the Southern Galaxy. That is, he just went from planet to planet destroying the civilizations there, leaving ruined planets like the one Goku visits for a bit. The only thing that seems to indicate that he literally wiped it out completely is the opening shot of the spiral galaxy thingy dissolving into blackness, but this doesn't jibe too well with what we see/are told throughout the rest of the movie.
 

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I really don't understand this. Do you agree that Broly has laid waste to the Southern Galaxy or not?
 

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p123 said:
Where does it say he was only destroying civilizations? Do you think he's not capable of easily blowing up a planet?

He's capable of easily blowing up a planet, afterall he one-shots a planet bigger than New Vegeta with a basketball-sized ki blast. But that's not the point. The point is that Broly was wiping out civilizations rather than the planets themselves.

Herms:
So...it seems a little inconsistent. The narrator at the start just describes the Southern Galaxy as having "fallen under Super Saiyan attack". But later, Goku refers to Broli as having "destroyed" the Southern Galaxy, and Kaio at the start says "at this rate even my Northern Galaxy will be destroyed", implying the Southern Galaxy has been destroyed, or will be destroyed soon. Then when Paragus outlines his plan for universal domination, he says his empire would include the North, East, and West Galaxies...but conspicuously fails to mention the South Galaxy, implying it's not there to be ruled any more.

On the other hand, Paragus describes the Legendary Super Saiyan as "wreaking havoc all over an area of the Southern Galaxy", while Kaio tells Goku that the Legendary Super Saiyan has "already finished tearing up the Southern Galaxy". Most importantly, after telling Goku this, Kaio then instructs him to "go check the Southern Galaxy". At which point Goku teleports to a planet filled with ruins. So even if the Southern Galaxy has been "destroyed" in some sense, at least part of it is still there.

On that note, after Goku thinks to himself that Broli is the one who "destroyed" the Southern Galaxy, he shortly thereafter semi-repeats himself, saying that Broli is the Super Saiyan who "ran riot through" the Southern Galaxy. So it seems like all this makes the most sense if we treat "destroy" in this context as meaning that Broli attacked/laid waste/etc the Southern Galaxy. That is, he just went from planet to planet destroying the civilizations there, leaving ruined planets like the one Goku visits for a bit. The only thing that seems to indicate that he literally wiped it out completely is the opening shot of the spiral galaxy thingy dissolving into blackness, but this doesn't jibe too well with what we see/are told throughout the rest of the movie.

As a suppressed SuperSaiyan YES Broly laid waste to civilizations but If it was just Broly threatening civilizations & not a major threat the entire Southern Galaxy itself enough to the point where a quardrant would be eventually wiped out then King Kai wouldn't have been so fearful & seeing Broly as a serious threat.

Again this is not Dragon Ball done by Akira Toriyama, it does not follow Akira Toriyama's line of scaling, it is not Dragon Ball Z's dimension.

And on the movie 8 line of scaling YES The Legendary Super Saiyan Broly would more likely be SuperSaiyan God Goku level, if Broly went to the main Dragon Ball Z dimension done by Akira Toriyama.

So to make it easy think of movie 8 like fan fiction scaling characters as they wanna scale characters.




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p123 said:
I really don't understand this. Do you agree that Broly has laid waste to the Southern Galaxy or not?

I do, but i think it only means civilizations. Read Herms's post on my spoiler.

As a suppressed SuperSaiyan YES Broly laid waste to civilizations but If it was just Broly threatening civilizations & not a major threat the entire Southern Galaxy itself enough to the point where a quardrant would be eventually wiped out then King Kai wouldn't have been so fearful & seeing Broly as a serious threat.

Assumption. Why wouldn't a Kai be fearful for their civilizations? Afterall that's the entire point of the galaxy division.

Again this is not Dragon Ball done by Akira Toriyama, it does not follow Akira Toriyama's line of scaling, it is not Dragon Ball Z's dimension.

Wrong, the movie characters follow the strength of the original characters, at a specific point in the series:
M1 = Early Saiyan Saga
M2 = Mid Saiyan Saga
M3 = Post-Saiyan Saga
M4 = Early Freeza Saga
M5 = Post-Freeza Saga
M6 = Early Android Saga
M7 = Mid Android Saga
M8 = Cell Saga(Pre-CG)
M9 = Cell Saga(Post-CG)
M10 = Early Boo Saga
M11 = Mid Boo Saga
M12 = Boo Saga(after Fat Boo)
M13 = Post-Boo Saga

And on the movie 8 line of scaling YES The Legendary Super Saiyan Broly would more likely be SuperSaiyan God Goku level, if Broly went to the main Dragon Ball Z dimension done by Akira Toriyama.

He would be Super Saiyan God level because he was beating characters who weren't even CG level yet ? What?

So to make it easy think of movie 8 like fan fiction scaling characters as they wanna scale characters.
Disproven above.

The video you posted doesn't prove anything. First of all, it's from SethTheProgammer, which already invalidates it. Second, he mentions Kaio's statement about Broly tearing up the South Galaxy but fails to mention the one where he tells Goku the galaxy is still there. I wonder why?
 

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Broly is incapable of destroying a Galaxy by flight. He has to be blowing up solar systems easily as well as destroying civilizations. It is simply impossible for Broly to not be at least a solar system buster if he can destroy a galaxy in short order, civilizations or not.
 

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Assumption. Why wouldn't a Kai be fearful for their civilizations? Afterall that's the entire point of the galaxy division.
Then Goku & friends would be extremely busy as Broly isn't the 1st & only threat to any civilization alone as King Kai would running himself senseless sending Goku & friends out to protect them all.

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Wrong, the movie characters follow the strength of the original characters, at a specific point in the series:
M1 = Early Saiyan Saga
M2 = Mid Saiyan Saga
M3 = Post-Saiyan Saga
M4 = Early Freeza Saga
M5 = Post-Freeza Saga
M6 = Early Android Saga
M7 = Mid Android Saga
M8 = Cell Saga(Pre-CG)
M9 = Cell Saga(Post-CG)
M10 = Early Boo Saga
M11 = Mid Boo Saga
M12 = Boo Saga(after Fat Boo)
M13 = Post-Boo Saga

Then why is SuperSaiyan Gohan in movie8 weaker than SuperSaiyan Goku in movie 8.

Those are the point in time where the movies take place as many of the movies aren't involved with the sagas.


Think parallel universes.
Remeber how future Android17 & Android18 weren't as strong as the past Android17 & Android18.

Same thing here with movies vs the official series done by Akira Toriyama.

NOT The same dimension.
Why the transformation into SuperSaiyan 3 Goku shook the afterlife in FusionReborn & the transformation into SuperSaiyan 3 Goku only shook the earth.

You cannot connect the movies with the official series as they aren't the same dimension.

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He would be Super Saiyan God level because he was beating characters who weren't even CG level yet ? What?
No, Broly would be SuperSaiyan God level in his Legendary Super Saiyan transformation.

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Disproven above.

The video you posted doesn't prove anything. First of all, it's from SethTheProgammer, which already invalidates it. Second, he mentions Kaio's statement about Broly tearing up the South Galaxy but fails to mention the one where he tells Goku the galaxy is still there. I wonder why?
You never disproven anything.

Okay
1. How would it being by SethTheProgammer invalidates anything.
2. Do you understand the South Galaxy is the Southern Quadrant of the universe in the Dragon Ball franchise.
It is 1/4th of the universe.

Southern Galaxy is another name for Southern Quadrant.
Meaning there are billions upon billions of galaxies that make up a single Quadrant.
So of course there's still a few galaxies left.

Broly destroyed galaxies within the Southern Quadrant, eventually destroying the Southern Quadrant itself.

You don't want to see Broly as much stronger than the main storyline then take it up with SethTheProgammer, he offered up a different & obvious way of looking at it & you refuse to see it.

So you really aren't debunking or disproving anything unless you take it directly to him & prove him wrong because in both those videos he has asked & answered nearly every question you've posted.

Feel free to post that video where you try & disprove him cause i'd love to see it.
 

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Then Goku & friends would be extremely busy as Broly isn't the 1st & only threat to any civilization alone as King Kai would running himself senseless sending Goku & friends out to protect them all.

You're once again making stellar-stretch assumptions. Where is it said that Broly wasn't the only threat to SOUTHERN Galaxy? Not to mention, it's one thing to threaten the civilization of a few planets, it's another thing to threaten the civilization of the entire galaxy. Afterall, Broly was going from planet to planet and wiping out their surfaces(as shown in the movie itself). That's the exact kind of threat the Kais are built to avoid, which is why King Kai is so worried.

Then why is SuperSaiyan Gohan in movie8 weaker than SuperSaiyan Goku in movie 8.

M8 = Cell Saga(Pre-CG)
M8 = Cell Saga(Pre-CG)
M8 = Cell Saga(PRE-CG)

Those are the point in time where the movies take place
And also the point in time where the strength of the characters is taken from, as evidenced by the feats. Unless you think M1 Goku = M13 Goku.
Think parallel universes.
Remeber how future Android17 & Android18 weren't as strong as the past Android17 & Android18.
Not relevant, nor comparable to the movies, as the movies deal with villain characters which haven't appeared in any timeline whatsoever except DBCU's, while the androids have appeared in many different timelines. Not to mention you're defeating your own argument by comparing canon(Android 17 and 18's different strengths) with non canon(the cinematic universe) which is, ironically, what you're adamant on not doing.

Same thing here with movies vs the official series done by Akira Toriyama.

NOT The same dimension.

Again, that's not relevant to the movies.

No, Broly would be SuperSaiyan God level in his Legendary Super Saiyan transformation.

..Where did i say he wasn't in his LSSJ transformation?
Not to mention that's ridiculous.

1. How would it being by SethTheProgammer invalidates anything.

That was just me joking about the old "DBZ Forums community vs. DBZ Youtube community" rivalry.

Do you understand the South Galaxy is the Southern Quadrant of the universe in the Dragon Ball franchise.
First of all, "quadrant" is a FUNimation-exclusive term which is never used in the original Japanese anime nor the manga.

Second, in the movies, the term "galaxy" is used to refer to a single galaxy, not to a "quadrant" composed of countless galaxies like on Dragon Ball Super, the Daizenshuu 7 and the original manga. Which means it's not a quarter of the universe.

Third, i've already provided evidence from Herms suggesting that Broly was destroying the galaxy's civilizations rather than the galaxy overall.

Southern Galaxy is another name for Southern Quadrant.
Meaning there are billions upon billions of galaxies that make up a single Quadrant.

Dragon Ball Super and Daizenshuu 7 = \ = movies

Broly destroyed galaxies within the Southern Quadrant, eventually destroying the Southern Quadrant itself.

Wrong. This is NEVER stated nor implied in the movie, as evidenced by Herms's translations. And you're once again using information from Dragon Ball Super and from the Daizenshuu 7 to prove something about the movies.

Feel free to post that video where you try & disprove him cause i'd love to see it.

Sure, i could do that.
 

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You're once again making stellar-stretch assumptions. Where is it said that Broly wasn't the only threat to SOUTHERN Galaxy? Not to mention, it's one thing to threaten the civilization of a few planets, it's another thing to threaten the civilization of the entire galaxy. Afterall, Broly was going from planet to planet and wiping out their surfaces(as shown in the movie itself). That's the exact kind of threat the Kais are built to avoid, which is why King Kai is so worried.
No you're under the assumption i'm telling you what Broly did in the movie when i'm telling you what Broly is capable of.

Broly at birth has a power level of 10,000.
Piccolo at a power level from 300 to 3000 causally destroys the moon.
Vegeta in the Saiyan Saga with a power level of 18,000 or less is a planet buster.
Broly at birth could give Saiyan Saga Vegeta a fight so how on earth an adult Broly wouldn't be capable of destroying a galaxy.

YES Broly was attacking the Southern Quadrant but he is capable of destroying galaxies within the Quadrant which is why King Kai feared his was next.

If Broly wasn't capable of galaxy busting then by the time it takes him to get anywhere to the point being considered a threat to a Quadrant by any Kai he'd be far too old.

Being as insane as Broly is you don't suppose that as huge as a Quadrant of space is & as many many billions of stars & galaxies there are that it's absolutely possible Broly could've done both laid waste & attacked planet surfaces here & totally outright destroyed a few galaxies there.

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M8 = Cell Saga(Pre-CG)
M8 = Cell Saga(Pre-CG)
M8 = Cell Saga(PRE-CG)
So it makes sense for them to leave & possibly die while Cell still lives.
Wouldn't that also prove how much more of a serious threat he is over Cell.

And why is SuperSaiyan Goku stronger than SuperSaiyan Gohan.

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And also the point in time where the strength of the characters is taken from, as evidenced by the feats. Unless you think M1 Goku = M13 Goku.
No i don't think that but it's like you're saying you think Movie8 Goku is equal to Cell Games Goku.
Or at least the same character.

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Not relevant, nor comparable to the movies, as the movies deal with villain characters which haven't appeared in any timeline whatsoever except DBCU's, while the androids have appeared in many different timelines. Not to mention you're defeating your own argument by comparing canon(Android 17 and 18's different strengths) with non canon(the cinematic universe) which is, ironically, what you're adamant on not doing.
It's very relevant as i was using that as an example of how one universe doesn't follow the other in terms of power scaling using Akira Toriyama's own main series.

In other words even in Akira Toriyama's own series he has two different universes that doesn't scale exactly the same.

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Again, that's not relevant to the movies.
Very relevant as the movies aren't under the same logic of Akira Toriyama's scaling logic as the main series.
If Akira Toriyama created two separate parallel universes with Androids stronger here & those same Androids weaker there, then why wouldn't Broly's dimension scale any different.

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..Where did i say he wasn't in his LSSJ transformation?
Not to mention that's ridiculous.
So are you saying Broly is capable of galaxy busting Yes or No ?

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That was just me joking about the old "DBZ Forums community vs. DBZ Youtube community" rivalry.
Okay whatever.

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First of all, "quadrant" is a FUNimation-exclusive term which is never used in the original Japanese anime nor the manga.

Second, in the movies, the term "galaxy" is used to refer to a single galaxy, not to a "quadrant" composed of countless galaxies like on Dragon Ball Super, the Daizenshuu 7 and the original manga. Which means it's not a quarter of the universe.

Third, i've already provided evidence from Herms suggesting that Broly was destroying the galaxy's civilizations rather than the galaxy overall.

In Daizenshuu 4, Daizenshuu 7, Dragon Ball Landmark, and the Dragon Ball: Super Exciting Guides, Akira Toriyama explains that he envisioned the Dragon Ball cosmos as a big ball. This ball is divided up in two halves: the lower half is the realm of the living (or "The Universe") and the upper half is the Other World (or "The Cosmos"), with Hell located between the two halves, the Demon Realm is located in the bottom of the living universe. The Sacred World of the Kais exists on the outside of the universe.

The realm of living is divided into four quadrants based on the cardinal directions, each ruled by a Kai chosen among the Core People from World Core. There is one Check-In Station for the four quadrants of the universe, which allows its inhabitants to go to the Other World.



And i've provided evidence that Broly is capable of galaxy busting.

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Dragon Ball Super and Daizenshuu 7 = \ = movies
I said Southern Quadrant as representing the region under that Kai's watch.
As i kept going trying explain Broly destroying galaxies within the Southern Galaxy repeatedly saying Galaxy was redundant.

So i said Southern Quadrant to clear things up. As in Broly was destroying galaxies within the Southern Quadrant & North Kai feared his Quadrant would eventually be next.

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Wrong. This is NEVER stated nor implied in the movie, as evidenced by Herms's translations. And you're once again using information from Dragon Ball Super and from the Daizenshuu 7 to prove something about the movies.
It's heavily implied as King Kai feared his Quadrant would be next.
Also if it's stated in Daizenshuu 7 then it must hold some truth.

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Sure, i could do that.
So you'll confront Seththeprogrammer himself.
Then i'll be waiting, please post a link to you debating him.
 

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Broly at birth has a power level of 10,000.
Piccolo at a power level from 300 to 3000 causally destroys the moon.
Vegeta in the Saiyan Saga with a power level of 18,000 or less is a planet buster.
Broly at birth could give Saiyan Saga Vegeta a fight so how on earth an adult Broly wouldn't be capable of destroying a galaxy.
>> Assuming DBZ power levels scale linearly

YES Broly was attacking the Southern Quadrant but he is capable of destroying galaxies within the Quadrant which is why King Kai feared his was next.

Prove it was more than one galaxy. You can't because it's never stated anywhere in the movie. And if you try to use Daizenshuu 7 you will be defeating your own point, because it doesn't apply to the universe of the movies.

If Broly wasn't capable of galaxy busting then by the time it takes him to get anywhere to the point being considered a threat to a Quadrant by any Kai he'd be far too old.

No, because he was not destroying the galaxy itself, but its civilizations. I have already said this many times and have posted evidence from Herms himself. Please bring forth something new.

Being as insane as Broly is you don't suppose that as huge as a Quadrant of space is & as many many billions of stars & galaxies there are that it's absolutely possible Broly could've done both laid waste & attacked planet surfaces here & totally outright destroyed a few galaxies there.

Southern Galaxy refers to only one galaxy in the context of the movie. And he wasn't even destroying it, only its civilizations.

So it makes sense for them to leave & possibly die while Cell still lives.

Wouldn't that also prove how much more of a serious threat he is over Cell.

No, because Cell does not exist in the movie. Unless you think Vegeta would be throwing a party instead of training to fight Cell, since that's what he does in the beginning of the movie.

And why is SuperSaiyan Goku stronger than SuperSaiyan Gohan.

Please read my post. I've already repeated it with increased font and yet you don't seem to grasp the words "Pre-Cell Games".

No i don't think that but it's like you're saying you think Movie8 Goku is equal to Cell Games Goku.
I've never even implied this. Please read my rebuttal before you try to rush a response.

It's very relevant as i was using that as an example of how one universe doesn't follow the other in terms of power scaling using Akira Toriyama's own main series.

And yet you post Vegeta and Piccolo's power levels on Akira Toriyama's manga as a rebuttal to why Broly can destroy a galaxy in the MOVIES.
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So are you saying Broly is capable of galaxy busting Yes or No ?

No, because he was only destroying civilizations.

In Daizenshuu 4, Daizenshuu 7, Dragon Ball Landmark, and the Dragon Ball: Super Exciting Guides, Akira Toriyama explains that he envisioned the Dragon Ball cosmos as a big ball. This ball is divided up in two halves: the lower half is the realm of the living (or "The Universe") and the upper half is the Other World (or "The Cosmos"), with Hell located between the two halves, the Demon Realm is located in the bottom of the living universe. The Sacred World of the Kais exists on the outside of the universe.

Yet another example of you using Akira Toriyama's words and manga guidebooks to try and prove something in the movies.

And i've provided evidence that Broly is capable of galaxy busting.

Providing assumptions doesn't equal providing evidence.

So i said Southern Quadrant to clear things up. As in Broly was destroying galaxies within the Southern Quadrant & North Kai feared his Quadrant would eventually be next.

The underlined part was never stated in the movie. You're making this up.

It's heavily implied as King Kai feared his Quadrant would be next.
Also if it's stated in Daizenshuu 7 then it must hold some truth.

Daizenshuu 7 is a manga guidebook. Stop contradicting yourself.

So you'll confront Seththeprogrammer himself.
Then i'll be waiting, please post a link to you debating him.

If he does reply to my post. Afterall, there are comments debunking him and yet he ignores them. :ladd :ladd
 

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>> Assuming DBZ power levels scale linearly
Take it up with whomever created the Broly movie because Broly is stronger than given credit for.

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Prove it was more than one galaxy. You can't because it's never stated anywhere in the movie. And if you try to use Daizenshuu 7 you will be defeating your own point, because it doesn't apply to the universe of the movies.
1. To be absolutely clear Broly did not one shot a galaxy which i've already said.

YES Broly was attacking the Sourthen Section (better).
What was seen was the "seeing it disappear" thing is actually seeing it fragment in a time lapse.

Broly was enough of a serious threat to the Sourthen Section that the Kai of the North North Kai himself got involved.

Now if Broly was not seen as a serious threat to the Sourthen Section, to any of the other 3 Sections then why would another Kai get involved.

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No, because he was not destroying the galaxy itself, but its civilizations. I have already said this many times and have posted evidence from Herms himself. Please bring forth something new.
You haven't brought anything new.
You rely on herms & continue using the same arguments both videos i posted have answered.

You're using the same arguments saying Broly isn't capable of such destruction on that level when North Kai getting involved while Broly is attacking another Section not his Section implies otherwise.

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Southern Galaxy refers to only one galaxy in the context of the movie. And he wasn't even destroying it, only its civilizations.
Again how many planets make up a galaxy.

How many planets with surfaces shown destroyed compared to how many planets that's in a galaxy itself.

the "seeing it disappear" thing is actually seeing it fragment in a time lapse.

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No, because Cell does not exist in the movie. Unless you think Vegeta would be throwing a party instead of training to fight Cell, since that's what he does in the beginning of the movie.
Then why are you throwing Pre-Cell Games characters as if they've encountered Cell, trained for PerfectCell's tournament but take time off to screw around with Broly.

Do you mean Pre-Cell Saga.
There's Cell Saga, Imperfect Cell Saga, Perfect Cell Saga, and Cell Games Saga.

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Please read my post. I've already repeated it with increased font and yet you don't seem to grasp the words "Pre-Cell Games".
Before the Cell Games started both Goku & Gohan reached SuperSaiyan Full Powered.

That's the 1st time Gohan reached SuperSaiyan in the DragonBall Z series itself.
Pre-Cell Games is before that tournament started.
In Movie8 both Goku & Gohan are SuperSaiyans & SuperSaiyan Goku is more powerful than Gohan.

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I've never even implied this. Please read my rebuttal before you try to rush a response.
Please think before you post then.
So you do admit Movie8 is its own separate dimension following its own logic in power scaling ?

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And yet you post Vegeta and Piccolo's power levels on Akira Toriyama's manga as a rebuttal to why Broly can destroy a galaxy in the MOVIES.
I'm posting Vegeta & Piccolo's power levels from Akira Toriyama's manga to show the difference in power levels if Movie8 followed Akira Toriyama's scaling. There's still a difference in power.

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Yet another example of you using Akira Toriyama's words and manga guidebooks to try and prove something in the movies.
YUP.
To better paint a picture of how the 4 Sections are set up.

Tapion said:
roviding assumptions doesn't equal providing evidence.
Then you can never ever ever make any arguments from your own assumptions or interruptions again.

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If he does reply to my post. Afterall, there are comments debunking him and yet he ignores them.

Go For It.
Cause he is providing a much better argument than you are, & till you specifically debate & debunk him face-to-face or video countering his video, i'm going with his arguments.
 

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The fact that Broly is powerful enough to attack a freaking Galaxy is incredible. Freeza is not capable of attacking a Galaxy, Broly is. For Broly to be a threat to a galaxy at all is huge, to be able to set it on fire, well, Broly is pretty damn amazing.
 

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Take it up with whomever created the Broly movie because Broly is stronger than given credit for.
The guy who created Broly, Takao Koyama, said in an interview that every movie villain was stronger than the one from the previous movie, which would put Movie 8 Broly below Bojack, who showed feats on par with Perfect Cell(Full Power). Therefore, Broly is at most around top-tier Cell Games powers.

Not to mention he said in the same interview that comparing Beerus to Broly would be like comparing a top-tier wrestler to a extremely amateurish one. And yet you try to put him at Super Saiyan God level.

1. To be absolutely clear Broly did not one shot a galaxy which i've already said.

YES Broly was attacking the Sourthen Section (better).

The Southern Galaxy**

Broly was enough of a serious threat to the Sourthen Section that the Kai of the North North Kai himself got involved.

Because he was worried for the civilization of his own galaxy.

Now if Broly was not seen as a serious threat to the Sourthen Section, to any of the other 3 Sections then why would another Kai get involved.

I have replied to this in my very first rebuttal, and yet you're repeating it. Please stop repeating things i've already replied to. If you feel the need to repeat it at least show a counter to my own reply first.

Broly was seen as a serious threat to the Southern Galaxy because he was destroying its civilizations, which would go against the Kais's duties. Not only you're putting words in my mouth("Broly was not seen as a serious threat to the Southern Galaxy") but you're not countering my rebuttals first.

You rely on herms
The most knowledgeable guy in the fandom, and the one who translated numerous guidebooks. Not to mention he happens to be a fluent Japanese speaker. You rely on youtubers who are actually taking some of their arguments from Herms's translations(out of context at that) which means you're technically relying on him as well. :tapion :tapion

continue using the same arguments both videos i posted have answered.

Neither of the videos have answered ANYTHING about my arguments. Provide the timeframe where that guy replies to my "civilizations" argument and where he replies to Paragus's implications in the movie itself, because i watched the video twice and found absolutely nothing countering that.

You're using the same arguments saying Broly isn't capable of such destruction on that level when North Kai getting involved while Broly is attacking another Section not his Section implies otherwise.

Getting involved because he was worried about his own galaxy's civilizations, since the galaxies don't have any kind of border stopping people from traveling to other galaxies.

Again how many planets make up a galaxy.
How many planets have civilizations on them? Because it would be a hundredth, probably far less going by any logic, or so of the total number of planets in a galaxy.

How many planets with surfaces shown destroyed compared to how many planets that's in a galaxy itself.
All planets in the universe have surfaces, so your statement doesn't make much sense.

Then why are you throwing Pre-Cell Games characters as if they've encountered Cell, trained for PerfectCell's tournament but take time off to screw around with Broly.

Because the strength of the main characters on the movies are taken from their strength in a specific saga, Movie 8's case being Perfect Cell Saga(in other words, a short time period before the Cell Games)

Before the Cell Games started both Goku & Gohan reached SuperSaiyan Full Powered.

That's the 1st time Gohan reached SuperSaiyan in the DragonBall Z series itself.
Pre-Cell Games is before that tournament started.
In Movie8 both Goku & Gohan are SuperSaiyans & SuperSaiyan Goku is more powerful than Gohan.

Movie 8 was released after Gohan was shown as a Super Saiyan in the anime, but before it was revealed he was stronger than Goku, which explains why Gohan<Goku in the movie. It hadn't been revealed yet.

Please think before you post then.
So you do admit Movie8 is its own separate dimension following its own logic in power scaling ?

Movie 8 follows the Perfect Cell Saga, therefore it's not it's "own logic". That's misinterpreting what Akira Toriyama said about the movies being a different dimension.

I'm posting Vegeta & Piccolo's power levels from Akira Toriyama's manga to show the difference in power levels if Movie8 followed Akira Toriyama's scaling. There's still a difference in power.

You're doing that under the opinion Broly can actually destroy a galaxy easily. You assuming he can do so doesn't prove anything in regards to the powerscaling, as i don't follow your opinion. :wink:

YUP.
To better paint a picture of how the 4 Sections are set up.

A picture which was meant for the guidebooks and the manga, not the movies...

Then you can never ever ever make any arguments from your own assumptions or interruptions again.

Assumptions which are backed up by Herms's translations. Your assumptions are backed up by a picture taken out of context from Toriyama. Said picture was meant for the Daizenshuu and the manga, not the movies, which are different dimensions.

Go For It.
Cause he is providing a much better argument than you are, & till you specifically debate & debunk him face-to-face or video countering his video, i'm going with his arguments.

I hardly care about what you think about my arguments compared to his unless you can prove my arguments wrong. Which you haven't done yet.
 

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Movie shows Broly destroying a Galaxy.

King Kai says said Galaxy is under attack.

Later says he's coming for my galaxy next, he already tore through the other galaxy.

Broly is not capable of attacking a galaxy.


Ok...
 

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Movie shows Broly destroying a Galaxy.

And then proceeds to contradict the scene. In other words, it's irrelevant to the debate.

King Kai says said Galaxy is under attack.
Which means it hasn't been destroyed yet. :tapion

Later says he's coming for my galaxy next, he already tore through the other galaxy.
Then he tells Goku to search for him in the galaxy that has been torn apart. In other words, it's still there.

Broly is not capable of attacking a galaxy.
Putting words in my mouth again?
 

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