Search results

I think Goku used SSJG so he could one-shot Trunks as he initially thought SSJ3 would be enough. I think the upgraded SSJ2 power should be 3.5x SSJ2 which aligns with the statements. SSJ2 Goku: 100 SSJ2 Trunks: 105 Upgraded SSJ2 Trunks: 367.5 SSJ3 Goku: 400

I said I think Broly is a rival to Majin Buu not precisely equal.

Which is irrelevant because I'm not saying SSJ2 Goku in movie 11 is stronger than Fat Buu. He's just close enough to Broly to subdue him with Pikkon's help. Seems that you're reading a very specific idea into what I'm saying that I'm not actually saying.

One character looking like another across universes doesn't mean it needs to apply universally, it just did in that one instance.

You've just been stating opinions.

You've not given any concrete reasons. Really comes off as argument from incredulity.

Seems ok. We don't get much about the kids' power. The Gotenks power gains could be independent of the kids or it could mean the kids powered up to power up Gotenks in the RoSaT, so there's that.

Dragon Ball doesn't have to operate by the common multiverse trope that counterparts look alike.

You're really just making stuff up.

Kale doesn't look like Broly either beyond long black hair.

That's very arbitrary. Like what, does a cosmic law of the universe stop them from achieving a higher power without Super Saiyan 3? What you are saying is like saying any power higher than 60 million requires Super Saiyan because Goku only surpassed 60 million with Suoer Saiyan initially. So no...

Kaio-Ken + KHH from base could work, it would just make the overall blast a teeny bit stronger.

Because?

I have Broly slightly weaker than Fat Buu which can still be in range of movie-canon SSJ2s and Pikkon. So Majin Buu is still past the SSJ2 threshold, but movie SSJ2s can be closer to that range. Sorry, my phone crapped out and wouldn't show the updated page.

Movie Saiyans can scale differently from canon Saiyans.

Innocent Buu is temporary to me. The restored Mr. Buu is at least as strong as his pre-fission self I think now. I think Koyama would be referring to a stable version of Buu.

Movie 8? Tank gaps are not entirely clear but by movie logic it should be around 1.4-1.5x because in Movie 5 5th Form Cooler was unaffected by a x20 Kamehameha and then SSJ Goku could tank 5th form Cooler. So 5th form Cooler being around 1.4-1.5x the x20 KHH and then SSJ Goku being around...

Broly should rival one Buu from Koyama's opinion which is at least more reasonable than having him stronger than Vegetto, and at least not making Broly much weaker to contradict all of Koyama's opinions of Broly. The movies are a different reality so their SSJ2s can be stronger than canon if...

It's pretty straightforward. Trunks as a kid in the present time is equally as strong as the version of Trunks that 17 is familiar with as rhetorically asked by Vegeta.

I'll say m10 Broly is a rival to fat Buu.