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    Gogeta SSJ (M12) vs Gohan Boo?

    We know it's from the website but did Koyama write that? I asked about that years ago and Koyama kind of dodged the question by talking about which character he liked more. Koyama is stuck on the Broly > Z train and ain't no one gonna budge him on that. Yeah people project reasons for these...
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    Goten Ssj vs Freeza

    Goku still likes to train on King Kai's 10g planet...
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    Goten Ssj vs Freeza

    Vegeta using 150g in the Buu Saga is simply the fact that you don't always train with the highest weights you can lift. For all we know that was Vegeta's cardio session.
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    What level of fighting would Goku and Raditz have if they obtained a Zenkai Power?

    A bell curve for Zenkais seems appropriate. They start small, get big near SSJ requirements, then shrink again. I think Movie 2 Goku's power of 10,000 is probably meant to reflect his post-Saiyan Saga Zenkai power when he took the senzu at the hospital. I'd have to agree with Papasmurf, cap off...
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    How about we treat Jeice's statement about Vegeta's power being 20,000 units as correct?

    It really is an error from Toriyama. It should be over 30,000. But if you wan to hypothetically play with it, there are pamphlets that say Zarbon was 17,000 and Dodoria was 15,000, though those are based on Carddass numbers.
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    Best battle powers ever

    It's still bad writing. It's like when a character in a murder mystery somehow knows another character got killed on the other side of the locked mansion before anyone congregates to share knowledge. It's kind of a plot hole.
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    Movie 10 Scalling

    Teamwork. Basically the Raditz fight all over again.
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    Movie 10 Scalling

    Maybe twice. I see Movie 10 Gohan as representative of Z Sword Gohan, maybe higher.
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    Best battle powers ever

    I'm just saying it's one of those weird things like Goku somehow knows 50% Freeza is truly 50% because he blocked the X20 KHH, yet that doesn't really make sense because to know 50% of something you'd have to know what 100% of it was, yet he still wanted to see 100% Freeza to know how he...
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    Broly's Galaxy busting feats

    With Broly being said to be able to destroy the whole universe eventually, it must mean he can one-shot galaxies in order to do that. So the opening shot can easily be real-time. This still aligns with anime sources having Freeza and initial Perfect Cell said to be able to destroy or devastate...
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    Best battle powers ever

    I'm not trying to affirm Buu saga kid Trunks = Androids saga SSJ Trunks, I'm just saying Vegeta's quote can be read that way due to lack of confirmation that Vegeta knows about 17 being aware of events while absorbed. So if Vegeta does know that 17 was aware of events and power levels of the...
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    Best battle powers ever

    If your answer as to why is the statement itself then that's circular reasoning.
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    Aren't You Guys Tired Of Discussing The Same Topics Endlessly For Nearly 40 Years?

    I think we are in a kind of scan war right now with old guides being scanned for power scaling debates, so there are still some things to get out of the franchise yet. The main series is catalogued super thoroughly by now, so people need to milk more out of the discussions by finding long out of...
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    Best battle powers ever

    But does Vegeta know that 17 and 18 were aware of Cell's actions while absorbed? I think 17 revealed that when Vegeta wasn't present. If Vegeta is not aware of that then it could be read as what Vegeta thinks 17 is aware of for future Trunks' power, which would be Androids saga Trunks since he...
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    Movie 10 Scalling

    Given the Great Saiyaman saga chapters released a long time before movie 10 was made it must mean Koyama wasn't paying attention.
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    Boo saga Goten and Trunks ~ CGs Trunks and Vegeta

    I think it is a reasonable placement. Future Trunks used SSJ to kill future 17 and 18, so his base likely wasn't quite into one-shot territory against them, which is likely what he wanted to do. With base kid Trunks matching present 18 who is stronger than future 18 to a small or moderate degree...
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    What's The Highest Numbered Power Level That A Scouter Can Read?

    Old scouters break at over 22,000. New model scouters aren't said to have a limit but quick power-ups break them like when Freeza's scouter broke when reading Vegeta's power rise to match his. Anime filler has a big computer on one of Freeza's planets able to read 100% Freeza's power but...
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    Best battle powers ever

    I disagree with the whole list as it is an appeal to minimalism.

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