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Yeah that’s what I ended up doing this time around. It does seem appropriate. I did make Vegeta Goku’s equal instead of his slight superior, did you copy exactly the gaps from the Androids Saga?

Ok, updated a lot of the Rosat, Cell Games, Buu Saga stuff No longer going with Base Saiyans > Kaioshin > Piccolo Base Boys I’ve chosen to go the route that allows for Kaioshon to be as weak as he’s suggested independent of his placement with Piccolo. It’s made it far more manageable. The...

If you are going to decrease it that’s a great place to start. There’s so many benefits to it.

What did their translation say?

I think I'm best off challenging the idea of a decreasing boost by going after the numerical issues of it. I don't think you can afford to make the CG Super Saiyans less than 50x Android 18. Obviously the ToP boys are post Rosat, but let's just see this. Android 18 10 Base Kid...

What about those with minimal training like Goten and Trunks? Ok, so show me how the humans help Gero get the job done. If Gero is 100, what is Expected Vegeta and what are the humans? Yeah, if you intend on keeping the 50x boost, you have to make up some stuff. Either way the power chain...

So would it be that Super Saiyan God Goku is a Universal threat, Broly is a Galaxy threat? Or a Quadrant threat would be better to put?

Who is the first manga character to even approach Broly's feat? Nothing we see in the Z manga comes close. I’d say it isn’t until Super Saiyan God vs Beerus that we see a feat anywhere close to Broly’s.

Yea but that would work for the movie universe version of those characters. Movie Broly would be way beyond manga characters. But that gets tricky of course. Do we go with the overall intention or the feat?

Indeed. Damn, Seth was right. Broly’s power truly is maximum. No one else in Z can perform such feats. Not even the super haxxed Kid Buu can pull this off. I think I’m finally on board with Broly being this strong now. The feats are undeniable.

Well, no. This is more like, if I absorb Vegeta I can beat Monster Zarbon. But after I absorbed Vegeta, I could absorb Vegeta again and win, or I could absorb Raditz and win. There’s some serious numerical defects in that argument. Like it sounds all good when it’s vague. But when you have to...

When did one fighter turn Super Saiyan and get a 25x boost, while the other turns Super Saiyan and gets a 10x boost? Absorbing Piccolo again allows Gero to beat Vegeta, and absorbing the humans allows the same. They are implied to both grant the same advantage.

But they are still doing it the wrong way. The power is there's, the transformation is just a means of bringing it out. No one has ever gotten only half the boost associated with Super Saiyan. Because you are nerfing the gap between Android 18 and MSSJ Goku. He's supposed to be weaker than the...

Agreed, it hasn't been completely destroyed. But it definitely got wrecked, it looks like Broly got the lion's share of it destroyed in the blink of an eye. Damn, this feat really puts Broly ahead. It's quite possible he's stupidly powerful based on this feat. He could possibly be as strong as...

How strong is Suppressed Piccolo? 30 mil? You conveniently left out the Base Saiyans in the Androids Saga. Why?

The promotional material for BoG flat out states Super Saiyan is a 50x multiplier. The series expresses Super Saiyan as the same boost for all Saiyans. Whether it be Cabba, Goten, Goku, whoever, they are all implied to get the same boost. There's no reason for it to change. No evidence for...

But the difference in those cases is that Vegeta was proven wrong there. In this case he’s proven right by the other evidence. The Base Boys are already on par with Android 18 and this is Pre Rosat, where they acquired power in their Super Saiyan form on par with a Cell Junior. The Base...

Vegeta states he can win the tournament in Base. What are Piccolo’s feats that put him on a Super Saiyan level? One panel with a Cell Jr? He’s weaker than Base RoF Gohan who can barely turn Super Saiyan. RoF Gohan has to be the weakest Gohan we’ve seen since the Androids Saga. He’s weaker...

Yeah, there's a problem here I keep running into. If you give Imperfect Cell and Semi-Perfect Cell the gaps we typically we do, we seem to be running out of room to make 50% Goku > Grade 3 Trunks. Because we are typically trying to fit all of this within the range for where we keep the...

The Southern Galaxy is under attack! You wouldn't say this if one or two planets are under attack. Or even one solar system.