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The Fake Namek arc is a masterclass in character growth, just look at how much it develops the likes of Gohan, Krillin & Bulma, they're like different people. & If you think One Piece has good world building, you ain't seen shit. I mean, over the arc, I grew so attached to Raichi & Zakuro's...

Kaioushin was about CG SSJ Goku level (according to EML), but Kibishin was weaker than Pure Boo, so whatever the difference between them is should be a pretty decent estimate for a fusion like this. They would be pretty skilled though, Zamasu is a prodigy amongst the Kais, & Gowasu is a veteran...

Vegetto by definition differs from Goku & Vegeta, he is a FUSION of Goku AND Vegeta. Goku =/= Vegeta, therefore Goku =/= Vegetto. Do you think Goku & Vegetto have the same body? I just don't see how that implies they have the same body. We've already gone in circles talking about that, but we...

I think the limit of the Kaiouken increases with regards to BP, it says something like that in the Daizenshuu: It talks about the Kaiouken limit being affected by their Battle Power, not only by skill. That's an interesting theory about the timeline. I never really think about that kinda stuff...

Goku only said "It's like it's not my own body!", that's all. Vegetto's body is not Goku's body either, he's comprised of Vegeta as well as Goku. Yeah, SSJ3 Goku >~ Fat Boo ~ SSJ Gotenks is what I think it is. You have SSJ Gotenks (Post) > SSJ3 Goku, but what about Base Gotenks (Post)...

At this point in time, Goku doesn't know jack squat about God, he only hopes it'll be enough. On it's own, I think it's janky, I'd mention that the actual God surpassed anything he could've imagined (SSJ3 Vegetto & his expectations of what God might be). Okay, you know what, I was basically...

Goku saying that even him & Vegeta's fusion wouldn't stand a chance isn't really a good statement, this was stated with him having no knowledge of God's power, so he can't compare them accurately. Goku however says this initially after transforming: And this: Beyond his imagination should...

Perhaps he could clip Gogeta, but Gogeta could do the same to him & his stolen power with FSF, no? I personally have the difference quite large, actually. Because Moro (73) only is only certainly above LSSJ Broly to some degree, whom I have as only slightly stronger than SSJ Gogeta (Broly...

Hmm... So, you believe that in this way, it parallels the Freeza Saga & the Super Saiyan form? Interesting. I have heard that people put the ToP Genkidama at 40x Blue (because it was withstanding the impact from two fighters at 20x Blue tier or more), so a 50x multiplier would fit. Reminds me of...

That shit was painful, especially with Goku vs Freeza. Kept cutting away to Bulma fighting crabs, or King Kai's rambling or something like that.

How'd you figure it's 50x blue -> 2.5x -sign-? I actually have it as at least 80x blue, dk about CUI but Jiren overpowered -Sign- Goku's Kamehameha, so maybe 2.22x -Sign-? The thing Goku used was stated to have the same principles as the Kaioken, so it could be up to 20x Blue. You're right...

M4 Goku vs Final Zenkai Vegeta? You mean the Vegeta that fought Freeza? Well, going by the fact that Goku's limit was Kaiouken X100 (as opposed to X20 when he was BP 3M), his base should be far stronger than Freeza Saga Goku, who himself is stronger than that Vegeta.

Currently have it as at least more than 20x Blue (because of Goku using Kaiouken in chapter 39), but I'm wondering what others have for it.

When I say it's portrayed, I mean it's shown that upon using the Kamehameha, Goku's initial bp reading of 416 is raised to a bp reading 924 Do you deny this instance? Or do you accept that in this instance the Kamehameha multiplied his bp, but every time after this doesn't? And it's funny...

But it's clearly portrayed in the Saiyan Saga that they increase bp, why should that disappear further into the story? Piccolo even says to 1st Form Cell that his Kamehameha is weak because it's a Saiyan Saga Kamehameha, I don't see any way you could twist that into it not being a multiplier...

It's not too crazy of an idea, & it kind of makes sense because of the nature of Kaiouken. I always chalked it up to Goku losing stamina as the fight goes on (but the Kaiouken would add to that), like how his KKX3 Kamehameha should be stronger than Vegeta's Galick Gun, 8,000 x 3,000 =24,000...

Hmm? Why wouldn't blast amplification exist beyond the Saiyan Saga? You mean it exists in the Saiyan Saga, but disappears after? If you disregard blast amplification, then I guess it'd be at least equal to the Final Flash, going by "All right! Let's put as much strength into it as we can and...

Personally I just multiply the multiplier of both attacks with eachother, so Kamehameha (2.22x) & Final Flash (I have as a 6.66x multiplier) = 14.7852. That's basically headcanon though, so I was wondering if anyone has any method for actually quantifying these fused attacks.

That's awesome brother, definitely keep us posted! Also, 6'7"? You should be balling.

Sorry for the super late reply, I was traveling, & had to get settled in also. Vegetto told him that he needs to sense his Ki, if Boo wasn't able to sense because he was angry, I feel like he'd tell him to calm down instead giving him a lecture. Also, do you actually think Boohan's...