Movie 8

[Wogman]

M8 Z fighters are Cell games level, all this other 50% or they left the ROSAT earlier is nothing but theory rubbish that's completely based on weak reasoning and pretending to be involved with the creation of the movie itself. Like using the trailer as a source of power despite making no sense in trying to do so or trying to say movies follow the anime and nothing else yet ignore the fact the anime follows the manga.

They are cell games level, since their is no other level to base the 10 days wait on.

 

[SSJ2]

I agree Wogman, good stuff. Not many share our opinion these days.

 

[Let's Go Fearless!]

M8 Z fighters are Cell games level, all this other 50% or they left the ROSAT earlier is nothing but theory rubbish that's completely based on weak reasoning and pretending to be involved with the creation of the movie itself. Like using the trailer as a source of power despite making no sense in trying to do so or trying to say movies follow the anime and nothing else yet ignore the fact the anime follows the manga.

They are cell games level, since their is no other level to base the 10 days wait on.

Yeah like Gohan being the weakest in the movie which is similar to the CG counterpart.

 

[Void]

Gohan definitely came off as weaker than everyone else there.

 

[SSJ2]

I agree, but the movie release date can explain that.. they wouldn't really know what Gohan had going for him when the movie was being written.

 

[Let's Go Fearless!]

Goku and Vegeta are still both equal therefore Goku is just as strong or slightly stronger than Super Vegeta at best.

 

[Pakl]

Wait. Moviw 9 is CG.. M8 is based on the Perfect Cell Arc... Thats the arc the movie was produced and based on... CG didnt exist.. Why some of you keep on denying it though? Vegeta and Trunks are the ones who fought Semi Cell.. Goku and Gohan are copied from their initial post rosat states and have their natural look so Goku is just stronger than Vegeta bur not like 10x stronger.. Also hw can you say its weak evidence when the entire "theory" is based on solid evidence and endless facts... It doesnt evenned to be proven... Its like asking for proof why Goku is not 90k in movie 3 like in the Ginyu arc.. He simply is not because its stated... Lol

 

[Wogman]

M8 Z fighters are Cell games level, all this other 50% or they left the ROSAT earlier is nothing but theory rubbish that's completely based on weak reasoning and pretending to be involved with the creation of the movie itself. Like using the trailer as a source of power despite making no sense in trying to do so or trying to say movies follow the anime and nothing else yet ignore the fact the anime follows the manga.

They are cell games level, since their is no other level to base the 10 days wait on.

Yeah like Gohan being the weakest in the movie which is similar to the CG counterpart.

AND

Goku and Vegeta are still both equal therefore Goku is just as strong or slightly stronger than Super Vegeta at best.

Incorrect, in fact based on who survived what, Vegeta is the weakest, since he got one-shot while the others didn't. It's not a matter of who survived what, but who Broly wanted to finish or play with, otherwise, Broly would give all the Z fighters the same treatment he gave Vegeta. Thus this argument is silly and doesn't take into consideration the amount of effort the person giving the beatings is providing. It's not who was strong enough to survive, but who Broly wanted to finish off first or play with.

Gohan definitely came off as weaker than everyone else there.

Vegeta did actually, he got one-shot, and Gohan did no different then Piccolo or Trunks.

 

[Let's Go Fearless!]

M8 Z fighters are Cell games level, all this other 50% or they left the ROSAT earlier is nothing but theory rubbish that's completely based on weak reasoning and pretending to be involved with the creation of the movie itself. Like using the trailer as a source of power despite making no sense in trying to do so or trying to say movies follow the anime and nothing else yet ignore the fact the anime follows the manga.

They are cell games level, since their is no other level to base the 10 days wait on.

Yeah like Gohan being the weakest in the movie which is similar to the CG counterpart.

AND

Goku and Vegeta are still both equal therefore Goku is just as strong or slightly stronger than Super Vegeta at best.

Incorrect, in fact based on who survived what, Vegeta is the weakest, since he got one-shot while the others didn't. It's not a matter of who survived what, but who Broly wanted to finish or play with, otherwise, Broly would give all the Z fighters the same treatment he gave Vegeta. Thus this argument is silly and doesn't take into consideration the amount of effort the person giving the beatings is providing. It's not who was strong enough to survive, but who Broly wanted to finish off first or play with.

So what are you implying exactly? That Gohan just as strong like in the CG?

 

[Wogman]

Wait. Moviw 9 is CG.. M8 is based on the Perfect Cell Arc... Thats the arc the movie was produced and based on... CG didnt exist.. Why some of you keep on denying it though? Vegeta and Trunks are the ones who fought Semi Cell.. Goku and Gohan are copied from their initial post rosat states and have their natural look so Goku is just stronger than Vegeta bur not like 10x stronger.. Also hw can you say its weak evidence when the entire "theory" is based on solid evidence and endless facts... It doesnt evenned to be proven... Its like asking for proof why Goku is not 90k in movie 3 like in the Ginyu arc.. He simply is not because its stated... Lol

Nothing is solid about it. It's rubbish theory. M8 Vegeta and Trunks have the same design and concept art then M9, meaning they are obviously based on it.

So no, using the argument of them being bulky means nothing, since M9 shows them to be bulky as well and the concept designs as the same as M8 and M9.


It's based on the Cell games lol seriously, you use the trailer as evidence yet ignore the day it's the 10 day wait for the cell games, M9 is after Cell games.

Goku and Gohan are copied from their initial post rosat states and have their natural look so Goku is just stronger than Vegeta bur not like 10x stronger.

Silly argument, considering they look no different physically even if they showed them in their full power, so this point is moot since their isn't any other designs for them to be based on. Not to mention Goku M8 designs where used in Buu saga as well for SSJ Goku, does that mean Buu saga Goku is only 50% ?

Like I said, weak reasoning

 

[Wogman]

Yeah like Gohan being the weakest in the movie which is similar to the CG counterpart.

AND

Goku and Vegeta are still both equal therefore Goku is just as strong or slightly stronger than Super Vegeta at best.

Incorrect, in fact based on who survived what, Vegeta is the weakest, since he got one-shot while the others didn't. It's not a matter of who survived what, but who Broly wanted to finish or play with, otherwise, Broly would give all the Z fighters the same treatment he gave Vegeta. Thus this argument is silly and doesn't take into consideration the amount of effort the person giving the beatings is providing. It's not who was strong enough to survive, but who Broly wanted to finish off first or play with.

So what are you implying exactly? That Gohan just as strong like in the CG?

First I am fixing this idea that Gohan done the worst, when he actually did no better then Piccolo and Trunks and Vegeta done the worst.

Second, Why wouldn't he ? You think that little extra power is going to matter when against Broly, who is not only stronger, but leagues stronger to the point even 2 Masekos or a KAMEHAMEHA point blank done nothing to him ? Gohan was fodder, they all where. Even if Gohan was 50% stronger then Goku, he would still get crushed with ease in a matter of few hits.

Broly toyed and finished anyone he wanted, like Gohan being a bit stronger then his dad is going to make him do better in any way shape or form. Goku was the strongest in the movie, however, that doesn't mean Gohan was nerfed.

 

[Pakl]

Wait. Moviw 9 is CG.. M8 is based on the Perfect Cell Arc... Thats the arc the movie was produced and based on... CG didnt exist.. Why some of you keep on denying it though? Vegeta and Trunks are the ones who fought Semi Cell.. Goku and Gohan are copied from their initial post rosat states and have their natural look so Goku is just stronger than Vegeta bur not like 10x stronger.. Also hw can you say its weak evidence when the entire "theory" is based on solid evidence and endless facts... It doesnt evenned to be proven... Its like asking for proof why Goku is not 90k in movie 3 like in the Ginyu arc.. He simply is not because its stated... Lol

Nothing is solid about it. It's rubbish theory. M8 Vegeta and Trunks have the same design and concept art then M9, meaning they are obviously based on it.

So no, using the argument of them being bulky means nothing, since M9 shows them to be bulky as well and the concept designs as the same as M8 and M9.


It's based on the Cell games lol seriously, you use the trailer as evidence yet ignore the day it's the 10 day wait for the cell games, M9 is after Cell games.

Goku and Gohan are copied from their initial post rosat states and have their natural look so Goku is just stronger than Vegeta bur not like 10x stronger.

Silly argument, considering they look no different physically even if they showed them in their full power, so this point is moot since their isn't any other designs for them to be based on. Not to mention Goku M8 designs where used in Buu saga as well for SSJ Goku, does that mean Buu saga Goku is only 50% ?

Like I said, weak reasoning

Here we go again... Where does it say its their movie 9 designs? Even if it is... Its because in the Anime they were buff in the CG too.. The dicference is that movie 8 is 1st rosat and movie 9 is 2nd rosat... The Cell Games didnt exist in the Anime anyway... Also they were not buff in movie 9 so no....

Yes the trailer is shown Goku and Gohan in the 10 days but the 10 days doesnt ewual CG because at that time Goku was not known to be stronger than SSjinG3 Trunks and in movie 8 he is identical to his resting state meaning movie 8 Gokus full power in movie 8 universe is his resting state and warm up level... Simple as that... Gohan also looks like that and has his Androids saga clothes...

There is no such as after Cell Games.. All the movies are based on a specific arc from the series... Movie 9 is Cell Games.. M8 is Perfect Cell Arc... Movie 7 is Imperfect Cell Arc... Movie 6 is Androids Arc etc etc... You are basically saying they ignored the Perfect Cell Arc...

There is a difference in their physical state... They have round and natural eyes and lack an aura.... M8 Goku and Gohan also have no aura most of the time... Exactly Boo Arc Goku sometimes look like that when he is in SSjin but not powered up.... Whenever he is powered up he has a different physics and appearance...

Also I never said Goku was 50%... Just shows how you never read my reaoning... Thats rreally disturbing bro... I say his full power in movie 8 is based on his 10 days and warm up state vs cell because he looks like that and not much stronger than Vegeta... They did have another way to copy Goku from the CG when he was powered up but they didnt because it was not his level in movie 8... The Manga had that Goku too so...

Here is my reasoning... Read it and then try to say its weak if you can refute it.. If you cant then stop saying its weak.. Agree to disagree

http://www.dbzeta.net/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=2497

 

[Wogman]

Here we go again... Where does it say its their movie 9 designs? Even if it is... Its because in the Anime they were buff in the CG too..

Because their isn't any other designs for M9 but them. If they had them different, like you believe for the silliest of reasons, then they would of provided a new SSj designs, since they put Trunks Base M9 designs in there, but kept the same SSj designs.

Then that means they are cell games according to that silly reason.

The dicference is that movie 8 is 1st rosat and movie 9 is 2nd rosat... The Cell Games didnt exist in the Anime anyway... Also they were not buff in movie 9 so no....

No evidence they are sunny, and they where buff actually, some scenes they where buff, some they weren't, just like M8. It existed in the manga and was well past the Cell games part, and just in case you had forgotten, the anime is based on the manga as that's it's source for anything. Moot point again

Yes the trailer is shown Goku and Gohan in the 10 days but the 10 days doesnt ewual CG because at that time Goku was not known to be stronger than SSjinG3 Trunks and in movie 8 he is identical to his resting state meaning movie 8 Gokus full power in movie 8 universe is his resting state and warm up level... Simple as that... Gohan also looks like that and has his Androids saga clothes...

Another weak point. First, 10 day rest = Cell games, Goku holding his power back isn't going to make any difference in terms of his looks before hand, plus you point is moot again because they didn't follow the canon procedures of having Goku and Gohan in their MSSJ form, since they went down to base form in the movies. It's even more pathetic since they had 5 months of Cell games happening before the movie in the manga.

There is no such as after Cell Games.. All the movies are based on a specific arc from the series... Movie 9 is Cell Games.. M8 is Perfect Cell Arc... Movie 7 is Imperfect Cell Arc... Movie 6 is Androids Arc etc etc... You are basically saying they ignored the Perfect Cell Arc...

Actually their is, it's called after Cell games LMFAO which means events take place after the Cell games arc. No, I am basically saying that your own ideas are complete horse shit, and the series doesn't show what you think.

There is a difference in their physical state... They have round and natural eyes and lack an aura.... M8 Goku and Gohan also have no aura most of the time... Exactly Boo Arc Goku sometimes look like that when he is in SSjin but not powered up.... Whenever he is powered up he has a different physics and appearance...

Aura and eyes lol same green eyes, same yellow aura, only difference is size, and if you want to go by that, then anyone who makes the bigger aura is the strongest -.- so no, another silly point. Goku in Buu saga SSj looks the same whether he is 10% or 100% as shown.

Aura and eyes smh what's next, leg hair and types of shampoo

Also I never said Goku was 50%... Just shows how you never read my reaoning... Thats rreally disturbing bro... I say his full power in movie 8 is based on his 10 days and warm up state vs cell because he looks like that and not much stronger than Vegeta... They did have another way to copy Goku from the CG when he was powered up but they didnt because it was not his level in movie 8... The Manga had that Goku too so..

The only thing disturbing is your grammar and your reason, according to you, the movie producers ignored the manga, despite needing it to complete the anime otherwise DBZ anime wouldn't exist, and relied completely on what the anime shown and the release dates on that, meaning Toei animation completely ignored the manga and what happened in Cell games, despite the anime is based on the manga and they need to look at it every week to produce episodes. According to you, Toei animation are retarded beyond belief, and literally wouldn't be able to start their own car let alone run a multi-million dollar animation company.

You second best argument is Aura and Eyes -.- despite having the same Aura and eyes as any MSSJ as shown.

Your third best argument is animation inconsistencies from a series that has fans literally complaining about how disgusting the animation is in DBZ, and even Super.

Here is my reasoning... Read it and then try to say its weak if you can refute it.. If you cant then stop saying its weak.. Agree to disagree

http://www.dbzeta.net/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=2497

Wow, I just read it, and seriously, what the hell did I read ?

It's garbage and weak. All it includes is your own opinion, animation inconsistencies and false pictures as well, not to mention false info.

Sorry for ever taking you seriously man. No offense but I am not going to bother with you if you truly believe in something this silly

 

[Captain Cadaver]

Sorry for ever taking you seriously man. No offense but I am not going to bother with you if you truly believe in something this silly

Basically the majority of people's opinion of Pakl in a nutshell.

 

[Let's Go Fearless!]

Incorrect, in fact based on who survived what, Vegeta is the weakest, since he got one-shot while the others didn't. It's not a matter of who survived what, but who Broly wanted to finish or play with, otherwise, Broly would give all the Z fighters the same treatment he gave Vegeta. Thus this argument is silly and doesn't take into consideration the amount of effort the person giving the beatings is providing. It's not who was strong enough to survive, but who Broly wanted to finish off first or play with.

So what are you implying exactly? That Gohan just as strong like in the CG?

First I am fixing this idea that Gohan done the worst, when he actually did no better then Piccolo and Trunks and Vegeta done the worst.

Second, Why wouldn't he ? You think that little extra power is going to matter when against Broly, who is not only stronger, but leagues stronger to the point even 2 Masekos or a KAMEHAMEHA point blank done nothing to him ? Gohan was fodder, they all where. Even if Gohan was 50% stronger then Goku, he would still get crushed with ease in a matter of few hits.

Broly toyed and finished anyone he wanted, like Gohan being a bit stronger then his dad is going to make him do better in any way shape or form. Goku was the strongest in the movie, however, that doesn't mean Gohan was nerfed.

The fact that Goku and Piccolo has to saved Gohan in the movie implies that he's the weakest. If he was the strongest then he would done a much better feat than the others.

 

[Pakl]

You dont want to listen... Refute my reasoning instead of saying its silly... If you dont then you know I am solid.... Most people nowadays follow this reason... You dont understand non canon reason... You ignore evidence and also a bit biased.. Whats really silly is denying Vegeta and Trunks being 1st rosat when this is the entire basis of the movie... Whats more silly is saying M8 SSjin Broli is stronger than Transformed Bojack... I dont think anyone nowadays would say it... At least not a forum debater

 

[p123]

I don't blame them. I acted the same exact way when people argued that Movie 8 characters were only USSJ level. I thought it was complete hogwash. But as I weighed the evidence, I came to realize that M8 was in fact, not Cell Game level. M8 is based off of USSJ Vegeta and Trunks being the guideline for power. This is ROSAT 1 (Vegeta/Trunks) and the rest of the cast has caught up to them. There is a lot of evidence that backs this up, too much for me to refute it. Broly is piss weak in M8 compared to what we thought he was (Super Saiyan 2 Level), he's just a weakling hovering around MSSJ level. He makes up for it in M10 though.

 

[xmysticgohanx]

I'm on pakl and p's side here

 

[ahill1]

I am also on P and Pakl's side.

 

[SSJ2]

I am also on P and Pakl's side.

Honestly no need to post this. You agree with everything P says.