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It's actually called just Super Saiyan by Trunks and in the chapter, but Black always has lightning with it, kind of like how Vegetto has lightning in that one panel when he first transforms except Black has it all the time. Hence why I don't know if its just SS1 or 2, but it is most definitely not Rose.

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Rose in the anime also produced lightning when he first transformed. Albeit, Vegeta using either SSJ or SSJ2 in that scan you posted makes me also wonder if Rose will instead be a form above the 3 traditional ones for Black similar to Blue, and he's just testing out the regular Super Saiyan states that he inherited from the real Goku when he took his body.

But if we see Vegeta holding his own against SSJ/2 Black who dominated SSJ2 Trunks in his base, this might confirm the theory that in the manga they can choose to infuse their god ki into their base/SSJ+ forms at will or turn it off? :sponge

But yeah, either way I'm going to wait until the chapter is fully scanned before I make any judgments
 

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I'd be surprised if it wasn't Rose. Toyotaro might change up how it works, but I'd bet it's still Rose.

Also, dat smile.
 

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http://www.db-z.com/dragon-ball-super-chapitre-19-premieres-images/

The link with all of the images. Vegeta is pushing Black's shit in.
 

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Yeah, seems to either be regular SSJ or Rose. The hair isn't that of SSJ2.

If I had to bank on it it seems to be regular SSJ, since Black says "I can't turn into that yet" when he sees Blue. Manga!Black is a scrub just like Hit :ladd
 

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It's official, the manga's power scaling is also completely garbage. The one thing they seemingly had over the anime, Toyotaro ruined.

Apparently SSJB Vegeta >> SSJ2 Vegeta > SSJ(2?) Black >= base Black > SSJ2.5 Trunks = SSJ3 Goku > SSJ2 Trunks = SSJ2 Goku.

That's right boys, DBS manga is DBAF the doujinshi.
 

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I don't see the problem, Vegeta beating SSjin2 Black is OK since Black was using an ordinary SSjin form. Beside, the reason why Anime Base Black got stronger than before was because he fought Goku from the present timeline which allowed him to evolved while his manga counterpart didn't.
 

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Fearless Hit said:
I don't see the problem, Vegeta beating SSjin2 Black is OK since Black was using an ordinary SSjin form. Beside, the reason why Anime Base Black got stronger than before was because he fought Goku from the present timeline which allowed him to evolved while his manga counterpart didn't.

Expect for the fact that Base Black was shitting on SS2 Trunks who is stated to be on par with SS3 Goku in the Manga. Are you telling me SS2 Vegeta is now dozens of times stronger than SS3 Goku?
 

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Not to mention that there's no way to try and claim Vegeta or Goku can raise their base or SSJ/2 forms that high considering that Goku had to use the real SSJG form to defeat Trunks.
 

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I really hope there's a statement about them training, cause this isn't looking too good for the Manga.
 

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Future Warrior said:
Fearless Hit said:
I don't see the problem, Vegeta beating SSjin2 Black is OK since Black was using an ordinary SSjin form. Beside, the reason why Anime Base Black got stronger than before was because he fought Goku from the present timeline which allowed him to evolved while his manga counterpart didn't.

Expect for the fact that Base Black was shitting on SS2 Trunks who is stated to be on par with SS3 Goku in the Manga. Are you telling me SS2 Vegeta is now dozens of times stronger than SS3 Goku?
So Vegeta was using SSjin2 and not SSJB?
 

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SSJ2 Vegeta was already winning against Black. Then Vegeta turned SSJB to rub it in his face even more, despite... base Black already easily defeating SSJ2.5 Trunks who was equal to SSJ3 Goku and required SSJG to easily defeat.
 

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Seems like Toriyama/Toyotaro are copying the same stuffs from Vegeta VS Black during their final battle on the anime where Vegeta was kicking Black's ass. I guess they skipped the ROSAT stuff where Vegeta powered up greatly.
 

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Herms translated the manga chapter.
Page 77
DBS ch.19: Another Zamasu

Sideways text: “Goku and Black finally come face-to-face!! A super-intense battle begins!!”
1
Goku: “[r] So you’re Black…[l] Or should I say ‘Zamasu’?!”
3
Goku: “[r] I know the whole story! [l] You used the Dragon Balls to switch bodies with me!”

Page 78
3
Black: “[l] You even know about that, huh?...”
4
Goku: “[r] Then it’s true! [l] Which means there must be a version of me in your body. What happened to him?!”
5
Black: “Don’t worry, I immediately killed him.”
6
Goku: “[r] …Damn. [l] Guess that means I gotta avenge my own death.”
7
Black: “[r] How’d you two get here? [l] This world’s versions of you should be long dead.”
Vegeta: “No reason for me to tell you that.”

Page 79
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Black: “[r] What about Trunks?” [l] Is he with you?”
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Vegeta: “[r] We’re not here to chat! [l] We’re here to kill you!”
3
Vegeta: “HAH!!!”

Page 80
5
Vegeta: “HAAAAH!!!”

Page 81
2
Goku: “Hey, Vegeta! We never picked who’d go first!!”
3
Vegeta: “Seeing his face, I couldn’t hold back any longer!”
4
Goku: “[t] Oh well… Guess it’d be tough to fight someone with my own face anyway.”
6
Black: “[r] Perfect. [l] I was getting bored just fighting Trunks all the time.”

Page 82
2
Vegeta: “Hmph! Blond hair, huh?”
Goku: “So he can also go Super Saiyan?”

Page 83
5
Black: “HAAH!!!!”

Page 84
N/A

Page 85
N/A

Page 86
3
Mai: “He’s…become a Super Saiyan!”
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Trunks: “I haven’t seen that in a long time…”
Mai: “This means Black must be having a tough fight, right?”
5
Trunks: “[r] …But…[l] He’s stronger now than when he fought me…”
6
Mai: “[r] Even so, it looks like Vegeta’s got him on the ropes. [l] Goku’s there on the sidelines too. They should be fine.”

Page 87
3
Vegeta: “HAAAA!!!!”

Page 88
1
Vegeta: “DAAH!!!!”

Page 89
3
Vegeta: “[r] I see…[l] It figures you’d be too much for Trunks to handle.”
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Black: “[r] To think that you’d be this strong…[l] Which era did you come from?!”
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Vegeta: “Hmph, work it out for yourself.”
6
Vegeta: “[r] By the way, compared to that Kakarot over there, your Kakarot’s body must be from even further in the future. [l] …So can you can go Blue too?”
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Vegeta: “How about we both use our strongest forms to finish this?”

Page 90
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Vegeta: “[r] What’s wrong? Hurry up and transform. [l] I’m going to kill you.”
4
Black: “[l] I…can’t yet…”
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Vegeta: “[r] You can’t? [l] Hahaha! I thought not.”

Page 91
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Vegeta: “[r] That body was created through his long history of battle. [l] Right down to every nook and cranny in every cell.”
5
Vegeta: “For you it’s just secondhand goods…”

Page 92
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Black: “[r] Nuh [l] Guoh!!”
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Vegeta: “It’s got Saiyan cells that only a pure idiot like him can use…”
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Vegeta: “To their full…”
5
Vegeta: “Potential!!!”

Page 93
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Black: “Guuh…”
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Goku: “Man…it’s like watching myself get beat up. Not sure how I feel about this…”
5
Black: “[r] Th…There’s no way…[l] I’m going to let you stop my plans!”
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Black: “DAAA!!!”

Page 94
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Zamasu: “[r] My apologies, Lord Gowasu. [l] I received an emergency summons from my Kaio successor.”
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Gowasu: “[r] Oh Zamasu, you’re back. [l] We’ve got guests.”
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Zamasu: “[r] Um…[l] Who might you be…?”

Page 95
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Gowasu: “[r] This is Lord Beerus, Universe 7’s God of Destruction. [l] And his guide, the angel Lord Whis.”
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Zamasu: “[r] It…It’s a pleasure to make your acquaintance. [l] I am Zamasu.”
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Beerus: “Where were you just now?”
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Zamasu: “As…As I said, there was some trouble in the northern part of this universe which I needed to attend to…
Beerus: “Were you with Zuno?”
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Beerus: “You visited Zuno, the sage of Universe 7. Right?”
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Zamasu: “Tru…Truly you know all. I’d expect no less of a God of Destruction…”
Beerus: “Why’d you ask Zuno all about the Dragon Balls and Goku?”
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Zamasu: “[t] W…Well… I watched the tournament on GodTube…and it piqued my interest…”
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Beerus: “[t] You also asked about gods and mortals switching bodies. What’s the big idea?”

Page 96
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Zamasu: “[r] Well I…[l] I just wanted to know if it were possible…”
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Gowasu: “[r] Zamasu! What’s going on? [l] Explain yourself!”
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Gowasu: “Oh…The Kaioshin of Universe 7!”
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Kaioshin: “Thank you for having me over the other day, Kaioshin of Universe 10.”
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Beerus: “You’re late, Kaioshin.”
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Kaioshin: “[r] My apologies. I needed to do some time-travel. [l] It ended up taking a while.”

Page 97
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Gowasu: “[r] That’s a…Time Ring…! [l] What did you go see?”
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Kaioshin: “Zamasu!”
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Kaioshin: “I’ve seen your future.”
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Gowasu: “The…The future...?”
Kaioshin: “Zamasu will go on to commit countless evil deeds.”
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Gowasu: “[r] Evil deeds? [l] I can’t believe Zamasu would be capable of that…!”
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Kaioshin: “Unfortunately Lord Beerus, it is exactly as we feared.”
Beerus: “Alright then…”

Page 98
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Beerus: “[r] Now we’ve got a good reason to destroy you. [l] Not that a God of Destruction ever needs a reason to destroy.”
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Gowasu: “[r] What’s wrong, Zamasu?! Say something! [l] There must be some mistake, right?”
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Zamasu: “’Evil deeds’?”
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Zamasu: “Surely you meant to say ‘righteous’?”

Page 99
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Black: “[r] This world ruled by mortals is a mistake. [l] They inevitably fight war after war, destroying whole planets.”
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Black: “[r] This world doesn’t need mortals! [l] Their very existence is evil!!!”
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Black: “And by correcting this error, I am…”
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Black: “righteous!!!”

Page 100
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Vegeta: “What a load.”
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Vegeta: “[r] I don’t care if you’re a god or Kaio. [l] It’s got nothing to do with us.”
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Black: “Uguguh!!!”

Page 101
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Vegeta: “I'll remove you from this world.”
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Black: [l] I…I’ve defeated all of the gods…”
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Goku: “But you didn’t beat the Gods of Destruction yourself, did you? You just killed all the Kaioshins so that both’d vanish.”
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Goku: “You play dirty.”
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Black: “[l] Never mind the means. What matters is that I’m the sole remaining god in this world.”

Page 102
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Vegeta: “So?”
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Black: “So, in this world…”
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Black: “My word is law!!”
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Black: “DAAAA!!!”

Page 103
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Vegeta: “We don’t need a god pushing his own warped sense of justice on us.”
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Black: “[r] Shut up…[l] Shut up, mortal!!”
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Black: “Gods are absolute!!!”
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Black: “[r] As a god, all my actions [l] Are righteous!!!”

Page 104
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Beerus: “Those are just your own crazy ideas. There’s nothing righteous about them.”
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Zamasu: “[r] If my plan is being carried out in the future…[l] Then obviously I can’t die here.”
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Zamasu: “This is just where my plan begins.”

Page 105
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Zamasu: “UOOOOOOOO!!!”
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Beerus: “Now we see your true colors.”
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Zamasu: “GUH!!!”

Page 106
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Beerus: “Destroy!”

Page 107
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Gowasu: “Za…Zamasu!!!”
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Gowasu: “Wh-What’s going on...?”
Kaioshin: “Once I’ve taken Lord Beerus and Whis to Earth, I’ll come back and explain it all in detail.”
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Whis: “Lord Gowasu, when selecting your next disciple, please judge by their heart rather than their power.”
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Beerus: “[r] If you pick another crazy disciple, I’ll destroy you…[l] …OK, I can’t. But I’ll beat you up instead!”
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Kaioshin: “Lord Beerus, we must hurry!”
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Kaioshin: “There is something I must go report to Goku and the others!

Page 108
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Trunks: “Goku!”
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Goku: “What, you guys came too?!”
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Trunks: “[r] Please listen! [l] Black’s Super Saiyan form has grown even stronger than before.”
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Goku: “[r] Hmm…[l] Guess he’s been training too… Well, even so, it looks like there’s too big of a gap for him to win.”
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Trunks: “[r] I’ve got a bad feeling about this…[l] We’d better finish him off soon.”
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Goku: “[r] …OK. [l] Got it.”

Page 109
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Goku: “Hey, Vegeta!”
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Goku: “Never mind my turn! Just finish him off!”
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Vegeta: “[r] Hmph! [l] I never intended to let you have a turn anyway!”
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Goku: “Jerk!”

Page 110
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Vegeta: “This’ll finish you!”
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Vegeta: “Sorry, but your dreams must go unfulfilled!!”
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Black: “[r] Da…[l] Damn it…”
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Vegeta: “Take this!!!!”
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Vegeta: “Final Flash!!!”

Page 111
N/A

Page 112
N/A

Page 113
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Vegeta: “[l] Who’s that…?”
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Beerus: “[r] What’s wrong, Kaioshin? [l] What’d you see in the future?”
Kaioshin: “Goku Black…I mean, Zamasu, wasn’t alone.”
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Beerus: “What?!”
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Whis: “[r] Someone is helping him...? [l] Is that what you mean?”
Kaioshin: “Yes.”
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Kaioshin: “[r] He has…[l] The very best of helpers…!”

Page 114
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Super mysterious person: “That was a close one.”
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Super mysterious person: “But this will take you one step closer to your ultimate form, right?”
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Super mysterious person: “HAH!!”
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Goku: “Who’s there?! Some comrade of his?”
Trunks: “Black has a comrade?! I never knew about this…!!”
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Vegeta: “Black’s recovered!”

Page 115
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Black: “I owe you one..."
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Super mysterious person: “If you die, it’ll all be for nothing.”
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Zamasu [shock!]: “[r] After all, the Zero Mortals Plan…[l] Requires both of us.”
Sideways text: “With Goku Black on the ropes, Zamasu has stepped in to save him!! What’s going on in the future…?!”

Just like i said, the fight between Vegeta and Black in the manga is similar to the anime where Vegeta was winning against Black, in other words, Vegeta must have been training in the ROSAT before going to the future and maybe Goku as well.
 

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Then it may be true that Goku Black SSJR (Initial)> Goku SSJB Kaioken x10 (Universal Tournament).

By the way in the anime, Present Zamasu saw Godtube?
 

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SIAD said:
Then it may be true that Goku Black SSJR (Initial)> Goku SSJB Kaioken x10 (Universal Tournament).

By the way in the anime, Present Zamasu saw Godtube?
Yes before he went to Zuno.
 
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