Recent Chapter Discussion

[SSJ2]

You're missing the point. Why would he try to figure out Hit's ability in Base rather than SSJ? He just saw SSJB Vegeta get wrecked, yet he risked using Base? SSJ is Base.

 

[Future Warrior]

I thought when mastering SS they only were able to overcome it's strain, not necessarily it's stamina?

 

[Papasmurf]

Vegeta specifically said that once used to the form, they wouldn't be so winded when raising their power higher in it.

 

[SSJ2]

I dunno, considering he remained in the form for 10 days in a row then I'd say it has no stamina drain at all. He gained Base eyes on the form when not at full power as well. It was heavily implied that Super Saiyan became his regular state.

 

[Future Warrior]

@Supreme @Atem King of Nigeria

Vegeta: “They’ve judged that state as the best! If they get used to that as a matter of habit, then even if they raise their battle power, the strain on their body is very small! [ ] They’ve thought this through…”

Strain is still somewhat of a factor even after mastering SS. I'd say stamina and Ki output is still a detriment, considering how quickly Goku's power dropped after shooting that Kamehameha wave at Cell, and when spamming his ki blasts.

 

[SSJ2]

Yes, I mean of course it will still drain, but that's more due to battle than the form itself. I'd think Base would do the same thing. Goku was banking on that KHH finishing Cell, he applied way more power than he would for a normal attack. It would have drained him no matter the form.

Either way, I think Goku not using SSJ against Hit is just bad writing. Yeah you can argue he may lose 1% of his stamina or whatnot, but he also raises his power 50x (or whatever the fuck it is these days). 50x power increase > losing 1% stamina.

 

[xmysticgohanx]

I agree

One of the only things I'll agree that super messed up on

 

[SSJ2]

I agree

One of the only things I'll agree that super messed up on

You are starting to see the light, my child.

 

[Male]

I'll never see the light. Keep me in the dark, it's better that way. Lol

 

[Future Warrior]

Yes, I mean of course it will still drain, but that's more due to battle than the form itself. I'd think Base would do the same thing. Goku was banking on that KHH finishing Cell, he applied way more power than he would for a normal attack. It would have drained him no matter the form.

Either way, I think Goku not using SSJ against Hit is just bad writing. Yeah you can argue he may lose 1% of his stamina or whatnot, but he also raises his power 50x (or whatever the fuck it is these days). 50x power increase > losing 1% stamina.

Goku and Cell haven't even fought for that long anyways, and by the end of that fight Goku probably lost less than half of his power. I don't think there was any mention of mastering stamina, but whatever.

Considering Goku risked using Base form against Hit despite seeing him shit on SSB Vegeta, it's definitely bad writing. So you'd risk using a state that's leagues below your strongest form despite seeing that form get shit on? Give me a break

 

[SSJ2]

They didn't, but Goku gambled it all on the KHH because he realized Cell was so far ahead of him. No sense in waiting for himself to get beat down more by Cell.

 

[Future Warrior]

Your probably right. No sense in discussing Super anyways.

 

[SSJ2]

I wouldn't say that.. I'd say no way to make sense of Super.

 

[Papasmurf]

has fucked Supers consistency more than he fucked his wife

 

[Future Warrior]

It contradicts so much past material it hurts. Let's have Vegeta and Goku train at the RoSaT for another 3 years, because it's not like the limit is 2 years!

 

[SSJ2]

Beerus also seems to train in his sleep.

 

[Let's Go Fearless!]

After reading that Goku never kissed his wife in the lips according to the manga then Bulma seducing Future Zamasu will probably appear as well.

 

[ChulpaBatman]

After reading that Goku never kissed his wife in the lips according to the manga then Bulma seducing Future Zamasu will probably appear as well.

I think its becoming confirmed that chi chi took advantage of Goku.

 

[ekrolo2]

So, Black uses SS1 and possibly SS2 instead of Rose in the new manga chapter leaks..........

 

[Papasmurf]

It's probably still Rose. It'd hard to tell between pink and cyan in b&w if they're both shaded in gray, not to mention Toriyama designed both forms.