Recent Chapter Discussion

[Let's Go Fearless!]

This arc isn't helping us until Super anime makes it return.

 

[SIAD]

Surely Vegeta was talking about Future Trunks> Saganbo.

That'd make more sense in terms of scaling, though the context of him saying "my boy" makes it more questionable.

So Merus is a Destroyer of the Universe?

Arguably. He was outperforming SS3 Goku, but at the same time he never actually attacked him; with all his movements being dodges or skillful counters. It could just be that he has some similar skill to UI that gives him perfect reactions, much like Roshi against Jiren.

Still, he's probably at least Multi-Galaxy level via-scaling.

I began to think that the simulation of the UI must have a multiplier lower than the difference between UI Goku on its Base. Therefore, Merus is definitely a Multi Galaxy Destroyer and superior to any DBGT character.

 

[Pocket-Gog~]

This arc isn't helping us until Super anime makes it return.

Super adapts Moro arc, it ends up being drawn out and with 10x more filler.

 

[Captain Cadaver]

Super adapts Moro arc, it ends up being drawn out and with 10x more filler.

And given :toei's track record, probably even worse than the manga.

 

[Papasmurf]

The anime at least generally has slightly better fight scenes than the manga, so there's a small chance it'll be not as shit as the manga.

Still a 1/10 pile tho.

 

[Let's Go Fearless!]

This arc isn't helping us until Super anime makes it return.

Super adapts Moro arc, it ends up being drawn out and with 10x more filler.

With how the way Toei handled Black Arc better than Toyo did, so I have my hopes up.

 

[SIAD]

I really want to know the power of Merus.

  The power levels of the Z Warriors are impressive.

 

[SIAD]

Possibly Saganbo is between the power of Goku SSJ2 and SSJ3 (Current).

  I was thinking that the Galactic Patrol had had a hard time catching Saganbo, but without Merus' help. Since Saganbo didn't know Merus before Chapter 50 of the DBS Manga. Therefore, the power that Moro gave to the Prisoners was enormous.

  In the next chapter we will finally know the power of Merus, we will also see the technique that Vegeta will learn and we will also see how Gohan eliminates the villains who go to Earth. These villains although they have received the impulse of Moro, at best they will be at a level similar to that of Goku / Vegeta Base (Current), therefore, Gohan will pulverize them.

 

[ahill1]

New chapter here:
https://mangaplus.shueisha.co.jp/viewer/1003787

 

[Keedounan]

Well, the chapter was pretty uneventful, but it was a decent read.

The path Vegeta is taking, relying on something else than raw power to win, seems quite interesting. I hope the "Spirit Control" can do more than multiplying the user or making him get bigger, though. Otherwise, I don't see how Vegeta can counter Moro's magic. I like the fact that Toyotaro just decided to include both Toriyama and Toei's versions of the Yardrats as well. We've also learned that the Ginyu Force attacked them. One could wonder how they've survived, but I assume that they left the planet as soon as Freeza called them.

Anyways, the Galactic Patrol finally decided to call in the Z-Fighters. Good. It seems Gohan, Piccolo and the earthlings will get some action after all, even if I don't see them take on more than Moro's underlings, this is good enough for me.

And then, there is the Merus subplot. With his movements, the way he hides his strength, as well as his knowledge of Ultra Instinct, I'm beginning to think that he's actually related to the Angels somehow. His skin and hair color are quite suspiciously close to theirs too. If it is true, then I've got to wonder why would an Angel work with the Galactic Patrol. I hope we'll have the answers to those questions soon enough. It also seems that there is more than one point of access to the RoSaT, but with different durations, since this one, it's three days rather than a year.

If there is one glaring flaw that I can note with the chapter, it's how easily Piccolo believed such an obvious lie in a cheap way to have Moro somehow learn about the Earth. Seriously, friendly neighbor aliens just passing through? Especially when, as he himself noted, those "friendly" aliens attacked him unprovoked? Were it a naive character like Gohan, I wouldn't have noted it, but a character as smart as Piccolo should have known better than this.

Overall, it wasn't an exceptional chapter by any means, but it was pretty decent, and after the trainwrecks we got recently, it's a nice change of pace.

 

[SIAD]

Well, the chapter was pretty uneventful, but it was a decent read.

The path Vegeta is taking, relying on something else than raw power to win, seems quite interesting. I hope the "Spirit Control" can do more than multiplying the user or making him get bigger, though. Otherwise, I don't see how Vegeta can counter Moro's magic. I like the fact that Toyotaro just decided to include both Toriyama and Toei's versions of the Yardrats as well. We've also learned that the Ginyu Force attacked them. One could wonder how they've survived, but I assume that they left the planet as soon as Freeza called them.

Anyways, the Galactic Patrol finally decided to call in the Z-Fighters. Good. It seems Gohan, Piccolo and the earthlings will get some action after all, even if I don't see them take on more than Moro's underlings, this is good enough for me.

And then, there is the Merus subplot. With his movements, the way he hides his strength, as well as his knowledge of Ultra Instinct, I'm beginning to think that he's actually related to the Angels somehow. His skin and hair color are quite suspiciously close to theirs too. If it is true, then I've got to wonder why would an Angel work with the Galactic Patrol. I hope we'll have the answers to those questions soon enough. It also seems that there is more than one point of access to the RoSaT, but with different durations, since this one, it's three days rather than a year.

If there is one glaring flaw that I can note with the chapter, it's how easily Piccolo believed such an obvious lie in a cheap way to have Moro somehow learn about the Earth. Seriously, friendly neighbor aliens just passing through? Especially when, as he himself noted, those "friendly" aliens attacked him unprovoked? Were it a naive character like Gohan, I wouldn't have noted it, but a character as smart as Piccolo should have known better than this.

Overall, it wasn't an exceptional chapter by any means, but it was pretty decent, and after the trainwrecks we got recently, it's a nice change of pace.

You're very right, I loved the chapter. Even before this chapter I suspected that Merus was related to the Angels. I am very curious to know why I hide its true power. Maybe Merus is Whis' son and he was sent by Whis for Goku to train. It is the first DBS Arc that I don't see even Beerus and Whis.

  Gohan, Piccolo, Krillin and Tenshinhan in the Galactic Patrol? Very interesting. The only problem I see with this is that being Gohan, he would kill all the prisoners in an instant and the others would not participate.

  As long as Goku and Vegeta kill Moro, the Androids and Master Roshi would be there to defend the Earth.

 

[Papasmurf]

It's nice to see Toyotaro pay homage to both DBO and the anime's designs of the Yardratan race. Merus having possible ties to angels and knowing what UI is off the bat at least makes it several times more believable that he beat both post-God base Goku and Vegeta as well as easily outmaneuvered SSJ3 Goku.

While not stellar, still one of the best Super chapters so far. Still doubt that Gohan will get involved (seeing as he wasn't involved in the Broly arc either), but Moro invading Earth at least raises the stakes.

 

[Pocket-Gog~]

Chapter was mediocre at best.

Merus being an angel will be a good laugh at the very least.

 

[Ultimate Cell]

This arc is still

 

[Let's Go Fearless!]

Less Moro made this chapter decent for me to read.

 

[ベジータ]

he beat both post-God base Goku and Vegeta

This does not exist in the manga, Goku never absorbed SSG's power here, defeating Base Goku and Vegeta is nothing impressive.

 

[Papasmurf]

he beat both post-God base Goku and Vegeta

This does not exist in the manga, Goku never absorbed SSG's power here, defeating Base Goku and Vegeta is nothing impressive.

It's never stated they absorbed anything, but scaling from base Goku managing to land hits on suppressed Hit simply by predicting his movements, as well as base Caulifla not being one-shotted by 4th form ToP Freeza and outright stomping him in SSJ form show that their base forms grew far greater after training with Whis :elmo

The thought that they aren't much stronger than their base Boo arc selves is baloney and I don't understand how the fandom keeps the belief alive.

 

[ベジータ]

he beat both post-God base Goku and Vegeta

This does not exist in the manga, Goku never absorbed SSG's power here, defeating Base Goku and Vegeta is nothing impressive.

It's never stated they absorbed anything, but scaling from base Goku managing to land hits on suppressed Hit simply by predicting his movements, as well as base Caulifla not being one-shotted by 4th form ToP Freeza and outright stomping him in SSJ form show that their base forms grew far greater after training with Whis :elmo

The thought that they aren't much stronger than their base Boo arc selves is baloney and I don't understand how the fandom keeps the belief alive.

Hit was supressed, we don't know if he used the same power he used against SSJ Goku or against SSB Vegeta.

About Freeza, he has no feat in this form in the manga, RoF was never shown here and there is no reason to believe that it was the same as in the movie, Toyotaro's promotional manga is not canon in DB Super, and in ToP we seen that final form Freeza is at least comparable to SSJ Caulifla which means that he is comparable to SSJ Goku and multiples times stronger than base saiyans, which contradicts the film.

I dont understand why people believe that Base Goku and Vegeta are much stronger than in Buu arc when there is nothing to prove that, I am sure that if there were no other continuities nobody would think about it, it makes no sense to believe that base saiyans are god tier when Toyotaro show that they are not, SSG is still treated as a completely different level than SSJ3 against Toppo, the gods were only surprised here and not before.

 

[Papasmurf]

Hit was suppressed, but nobody noted that his ki went down when he faced SSJ Goku compared to when he downed Vegeta, and this would have been noted if he had. Not to mention, 10% SSJB Vegeta was frozen by the same time skips that were performed by the Hit who was noted to be below SSJ Goku in power, yet SSJB Goku could resist the same time skip that FP Hit said would freeze SSJG Goku. This means that the gap between SSJB and SSJG >> the gap between 10% SSJB Vegeta and SSJ Goku. The multiplier therefore cannot be anywhere near what SSJG's was in the BoG arc, seeing as SSJG was far, far above SSJ3 in BoG which alone is 8x SSJ1, whereas SSJB at FP is >> SSJG and even FP SSJB isn't even far above 10x SSJ in the U6 arc.

All the evidence we have of the FnF arc that was skipped in the manga heavily suggest that it went basically the same as the movie. Between Goku being unable to sense Toppo's ki in base (similar to him being unable to sense Whis and Beerus in the FnF movie), Shisami being seen with Freeza and Sorbet in Hell heavily suggesting that Tagoma/Ginyu-Tagoma wasn't involved in the manga like he was in the anime, and Goku's murder of Freeza going exactly the same as the movie. So this would heavily suggest that first form Freeza alone is far above SSJ Gohan (which was confirmed in Toyotaro's FnF manga as well), much less 4th form Freeza. The fact that SSJ Caulifla easily defeated this Freeza heavily suggests that she's on a flabbergastingly high level compared to SSJ Gohan from that movie, which can only mean the base/SSJ Saiyans are indeed far above their Boo arc selves. Also, Freeza being comparable to SSJ Goku in the ToP contradicts nothing. He did mental training in Hell which significantly powered up his Golden Form (to the point that he is now comparable to CSSJB Goku as opposed to being barely above regular SSJB Goku), which could have powered up his normal form as well.

Overall, you have no case. The Gods being surprised by SSJG could be mostly attributed to it being a godly tier of power while the previous forms didn't have godly ki, and him saying it's on a different level doesn't have to mean it's any more than 2-3x his SSJ3 state, which can still fit in with SSJB (pre-mastery) being around 10x SSJ1 if you assume the multipliers for the non-god forms have lowered as well.

For example:

Top Base Goku - 1

-(SSJ) - 2

-(SSJ2) 4

-(SSJ3) 8

-(SSJG) 16

-(SSJB) 24

-(CSSJB) 48

The base forms for the post-God Saiyans are way higher, as are their regular SSJ forms. :elmo

 

[Captain Cadaver]

One of the better chapters of Super. That's not saying much, but things such as explaining the conflicting designs of Toriyama's personal Yardrats and Toei's designs that were reused in Super was a nice touch, as was bringing Piccolo into the plot, making it apparent the Rosat isn't just some magical privilege exclusive to Earth and the implication that Merus has some divine or multiversal origin makes him contending with Post-God Goku/Vegeta far more believable as already said.

Still, it wasn't without flaws like all Super chapters are. Piccolo describes Moro's jabronis as weak, yet still found resorting to removing his mantle as a distraction necessary? The Yardrats make such a big deal about their Ki control and so does the narrative, yet it's nothing different from what we've seen before when it comes to techniques such as multiplication (Shishin no Ken) or gigantification (Piccolo's Giant form).

Still, even a chapter with questionable logic like this seems great by Super's low standards, especially the Moro Arc, so whatever.