Recent Chapter Discussion

[SIAD]

I wonder what Universe will be Merus? It will surely be from a destroyed Universe.

  Surely Merus is more powerful than Beerus, Broly LSSJ and Gogeta SSJB (Vs Broly).

  Whis can see the Dimensions in the rooms of Time.

 

[Captain Cadaver]

I wonder what Universe will be Merus? It will surely be from a destroyed Universe.
  Surely Merus is more powerful than Beerus, Broly LSSJ and Gogeta SSJB (Vs Broly).

Considering the likes of Daishinkan can exist outside of the other universes, it may be that Merus isn't from any of the universes. His name doesn't match the alcohol-based naming schemes of the Hakaishin attendant Angels, after all.

Being an Angel alone may not immediately grant him status of being above the Hakaishin, considering he seems to be some renegade Angel. If anything, his feats in not being able to defeat Moro would point to him being far weaker than the other Angels.

 

[SIAD]

I wonder what Universe will be Merus? It will surely be from a destroyed Universe.
  Surely Merus is more powerful than Beerus, Broly LSSJ and Gogeta SSJB (Vs Broly).

Considering the likes of Daishinkan can exist outside of the other universes, it may be that Merus isn't from any of the universes. His name doesn't match the alcohol-based naming schemes of the Hakaishin attendant Angels, after all.

Being an Angel alone may not immediately grant him status of being above the Hakaishin, considering he seems to be some renegade Angel. If anything, his feats in not being able to defeat Moro would point to him being far weaker than the other Angels.

But wasn't it that Merus didn't really fight against Moro, so they wouldn't discover his identity?

  Even in chapter 51 of the Manga, when Merus comments that with their current power they could not defeat Moro, then Goku asks "Even if you really fight?".

  Merus all this time has hidden his true power so as not to be discovered.

  As for the powers of the Z Warriors, I get the feeling that Goku, Vegeta and Piccolo have greatly increased their powers since the ToP or Broly Movie.

Gohan in the ToP was a God next to Piccolo, in this Arc the difference is not so gigantic. There was also talk that on Earth there were at least Gohan and Piccolo (not to mention Android # 17).

  Many times there is talk that Goku and Vegeta are> Gohan. It seems that they are not talking so much about Goku PSSJB Pseudo Kaioken> Gohan.

  It will be perhaps Goku / Vegeta PSSJB (Arc Moro)> Ultimate Gohan (End of ToP / Arc Moro).

 

[SIAD]

I started thinking about the situation of Goku and Vegeta> Gohan and I realized that it is possible that all Z Warriors, except Vegeta, believe that Goku can use the UI at will. At the beginning of this Arc Vegeta I thought that Goku could use the UI without so much difficulty, therefore, I find it very difficult for Goku / Vegeta PSSJB (Arc Moro)> Ultimate Gohan (Current), since if that were the case, Vegeta SSJBE (Arc Moro), it would not be too far from UI Goku, when in this Arc the UI is still seen as a power too amazing.

 Even so I would like to think that Goku, Vegeta and Piccolo between the ToP and the Arc Moro, had their earnings, since both Saiyans are constantly trained, in addition to the statement that after the fight against Broly, Goku and Vegeta They came back stronger than ever, and Piccolo said he has been training all this time.

 Also by just mentioning Gohan and Piccolo as the defenders of the Earth when there are neither Goku nor Vegeta, it makes me think that at least Piccolo's Makankosappo is not insignificant for Android # 17. The latter is obviously stronger than Piccolo's Makankosappo, but I would like to say that the difference between them is not so great. After all, Android # 17 is not as committed as the others to defend Earth.

 

[Son Gokū]

Merus just got 100% confirmed an Angel instead of the usual 99.99%.

 

[Keedounan]

Here is the newest chapter: https://mangaplus.shueisha.co.jp/viewer/1006078

 

[Let's Go Fearless!]

https://www.viz.com/shonenjump/dragon-ball-super-chapter-55/chapter/19651?action=read

That ending really cracked me up. :umad

 

[Future Warrior]

Cool chapter.

Merus is confirmed to be an angel in training that was sent to explore Universe 7. Curious to know exactly how long he was in that universe, especially when considering Freeza was causing issues decades prior, possibly having confrontations with the Galactic Patrol themselves. I'm guessing he was hiding his power to appear weaker than him? And also, angels can't die unless they're erased.

Kinda strange that Whis wouldn't address the issue with Vegeta's spirit being unbalanced during their training, but it was cool to see him wreck that Zarbon wannabe. Goku can also seemingly tap into Ultra Instinct at will now judging by that aura. This arc has too many new concepts introduced for it not to be adapted in the anime at on point.

 

[Papasmurf]

Why'd the Zarbon faggot die from his own flaming wheel thing? Is that supposed to be an homage to Freeza getting cut in half by his own technique?

Also, apparently Vegeta's spirit used to be so off balance that he couldn't amplify his power very well... but his Gamma Burst Flash has been shown to be able to tear apart multiple Merged Zamasus, and post-Yardrat Goku never really showed the ability to amplify his ki more than anyone else

Toyotaro asspull confirmed.

 

[SIAD]

Then surely Goku can now dominate the UI and possibly Vegeta SSJBE is now at that level.

  Will Merus be superior to the Gods of Destruction?

 

[Captain Cadaver]

and post-Yardrat Goku never really showed the ability to amplify his ki more than anyone else

In fairness to that part, this is a Vegeta that has been trained by someone as esteemed as Whis, so it's understandable that the results of his Yardrat training were far greater than Galu's even with far less time.

 

[KyuubiAhri]

It kinda feels like the pacing is too slow, and there seem to be a lot of asspulls

 

[Papasmurf]

and post-Yardrat Goku never really showed the ability to amplify his ki more than anyone else

In fairness to that part, this is a Vegeta that has been trained by someone as esteemed as Whis, so it's understandable that the results of his Yardrat training were far greater than Galu's even with far less time.

The Yardrats said Vegeta was now just ready to start learning to use Shunkan Idou, though. That's a stage Goku has already passed.

 

[Pocket-Gog~]

Pretty much. The idea that Goku never learned this super special Spirit Control that managed to multiply Vegeta's power many folds with little to no effort is absolutely laughable.

 

[SSJ2]

Wow that last chapter was terrible lmao!

 

[Keedounan]

Chapter 56, english:

https://mangaplus.shueisha.co.jp/viewer/1006174?fbclid=IwAR2TwHFp_yNqs2XUSf8L0GmhjvgODw8BmeZQqfa-k73SVNCQrg_Kjr0ieXk

 

[Captain Cadaver]

The chapter is one that focuses on giving the support cast some shine. Whilst it's nice to have people other than the Saiyans get some proper respect (particularly Yamcha not being treat as a joke for once), it's pulled off in the most cookie-cutter manner that makes it seem like the same sort of battle before the big boss seen in so many Battle Shonen, except a good chunk of such Shonen tend to have far more interesting abilities or character dynamics than the villains the Dragon Team are fighting against. Hell, even Roshi decided to get genre-savvy on how generic the set-up was 2

The 73 fight in particular was a letdown. Seeing the Masenko + Makankosappo combo was good, but the opening of the fight made Gohan and Piccolo seem woefully incompetent. 73's ability was only said to make him invisible, not completely erase his presence like some Meleoron knockoff. They should've easily been able to hear him walk behind them. 'Member when Goku used his heightened senses and Ki sensing to combat Yakon in the dark? I 'member back when Toriyama cared about making the characters show the results of their experience. Also doesn't help that 73 didn't realise the very simple fact that fighting 2 V 1 when you can only replicate the strength of one single fighter at a time puts you at an automatic diadvantage.

Shimorekka, who was equal to Jaco, isn't knocked out by a direct kick from #18. Another nail in the coffin of the long dead durability consistency in Super.

Still, it was good that it seems the support cast such as the humans and Piccolo got respect. Yamcha says he's one of the top 3 Earthlings which may confirm Kuririn > Ten > Yamcha > Roshi has remained intact, though given how Yamcha has been treat in modern times, it could just be him bluffing. Piccolo's Ki blasts were able to counter 73's barrage that would be equal in power to Gohan's, so that may be an indication of Piccolo getting quite the boost. About time if so, considering Super has opened up a well of opportunities for Piccolo to be a major player that have all been squandered thus far. It was good that Toyotaro didn't ignore the obvious by having #17 and #18 take care of things. Guess Prime Moro is going to be strong enough that #17 won't be able to solo though. Shame that with all the focus given to the support cast, Super continues to shaft Goten and Trunks despite their potential.

Chapter was still pretty bad, but far from the worst of this arc at least.

 

[Let's Go Fearless!]

Chapter was decent. Jabronies gets to shine at last. Also I didn't know there are Muslims on DB world.

 

[Captain Cadaver]

Also I didn't know there are Muslims on DB world.

*Insert a political commentary joke about Moro launching an airstrike here*

Not really surprising, considering it was made apparent in Part 1 Buddhism and Christianity both exist on DB's Earth. Not that we can tell if they have the same religion as most Middle Eastern societies in our world would from just the visuals though.

 

[SSJ2]

What a waste of a chapter. While it was nice for the scrub humans to get some action, there was nothing interesting about any of their fights. If they are forced to fight generic weaklings any time they fight, I'd rather not see it at all.

I dont get why Goku is flying a spaceship back to earth. Did Vegeta steal his ability to teleport??