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It is worth noting this arc is one entirely under Toyotaro's supervision rather than Toriyama's and he has given Vegeta more focus than Galu for this arc thus far, so him breaking the status-quo for this arc is entirely possible. Either that, or he'll play some valuable support role in allowing Goku to land the final blow.
 

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These are the likely scenarios-

1. Vegeta beats Moro
2. Goku taps into MUI
3. They team up to beat Moro (god forbid they do another fusion)

I would prefer the first outcome.
 

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Is it just me that I like seeing Goku as a solo again as opposed to being with Vegeta all the time? I feel that it's kinda refreshing in a good way.
 

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Gohan will be at the level of Goku PSSJB Pseudo Kaioken?

  How strong will Piccolo (Current) be?

  Goku PSSJB (Current) will be at Jiren's level (Vs Vegeta SSJBE)?
 

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Since Goku is the one to fight Moro first, it seems like Vegeta will be the one to come in for the save and win, but that setup happened against Zamasu and Goku still ended up being more relevant.
 

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No matter what kind of training Vegeta does I can't see him catching up to MUI, and I can't see Galu not re-unlock MUI when pressed to the point of defeat. Odds of Vegeta being the main player are low imo
 

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Could be that Moro will expend the majority of his magic against Galu and Vegeta will defeat a weakened version of him. That, or his training could've provided him with some hax technique that makes the power gap irrelevant.
 

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Here is the newest chapter.

https://mangaplus.shueisha.co.jp/viewer/1006597
 

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The action was okay, even if some panels have a clear display of typical Toyotaro "style" such as one of them making Goku's legs look pretty stumpy with an overly long torso. Moro presenting more to his magic than just being a one trick pony was a step in the right direction, as was Goku not falling into his trap being a relief compared to his usual characterisation. The subtle callback to Dabura fighting with Goku being prepared for such an illusion that should be too fast to just be a typical Zanzoken. We also learn that Moro is aware of the divine nature of Ultra Instinct and is surprised at a mortal utilising such as technique (and would probably have a heart attack if Roshi decided to flex his experience on him :troll), perhaps hinting there may be more to Moro's past and experiences than just some 10+mil year old planet eating criminal.
Unfortunately, that's where the positives and as the chapter has a few problems. Some are minor nitpicks such as Piccolo seeming surprised Jaco is keeping up when Jaco's eyesight had been made apparent to him to be impeccable prior, as is the character dialogue sometimes bordering on unnecessary exposition. The main problem with the chapter is how the fight that takes up most of it amounts to basically a warm up match, something you'd want to avoid entirely when the manga is only published monthly and just makes it so that the chapter is stalling. It's not as if Moro is suggested to be someone who needs to conserve his stamina in his current state unlike someone such as Jiren. That said, if the biggest flaw of a Super chapter is it being more of the same and not some obvious plot hole, then it cements it as one of the better ones.

Scaling-wise, Piccolo is unsure if Goku has gotten stronger than ever, proving that "emerged from it (the Broly fight) stronger than ever" as not being the case (as though anyone were arguing it was) and likely just refers to Gogeta Blue. Moro claims his full power is one that "exceeds the Gods", though what truth there is to this when he's only fought against two Kaioshin from what we know is sketchy at best.
 

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Now it's confirmed that Ultra Instinct uses God Ki. I know it's technically a divine technique, but it wasn't something that was ever definitely said.

Anyways, it was a good chapter. Only thing that annoyed me was Piccolo declaring the fate of the universe was on the line for the hundredth time.
 

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There it is.

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The amount of dialogue from the cavalry grinds my gears. Why can't we just watch Goku and Moro fight without getting spoon-fed information at every possible chance from Piccolo & Gohan. It sounds so corny.
 

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Future Warrior said:
Only thing that annoyed me was Piccolo declaring the fate of the universe was on the line for the hundredth time.
In particular, just how redundant saying any threat puts the entire universe at stake at this point. Enemies that threatened the entire universe in one way or another have been the standard since Freeza with the exception of Beerus (unless counting the collateral damage that his punches were doing), so there's really no point clarifying something like this nowadays.
 

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I wonder why was Piccolo shocked when Jaco revealed Goku was hitting Moro with the air pressure when that is something he caught on as soon as the 23rd Budokai when Goku wind punched Chi-Chi.
 

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ahill1 said:
I wonder why was Piccolo shocked when Jaco revealed Goku was hitting Moro with the air pressure when that is something he caught on as soon as the 23rd Budokai when Goku wind punched Chi-Chi.

Toyo can't write.
 

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Funny thing is even the Toei anime didnt bother explaining all the air punches in the ToP. Guess Toyotaro's manga targets an even lower common denominator than Toei's anime :cena
 

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ahill1 said:
I wonder why was Piccolo shocked when Jaco revealed Goku was hitting Moro with the air pressure when that is something he caught on as soon as the 23rd Budokai when Goku wind punched Chi-Chi.
Could be Toyo was so forgetful he didn't remember Jaco establishing to Piccolo in the last chapter that his eyesight is top tier. :troll
 

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Piccolo's IQ in the manga ranges anywhere from 30 to 50. And he's still one of the smartest characters in the series.
 

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Then: Gogeta PSSJB (Manga) >> Vegetto SSJB (Manga) >= Broly LSSJ (Manga)> = Beerus (Manga)> = Goku UI Mastered (Manga) >= Jiren (Beyond Limits) >> Jiren (FP) > = Vermouth (Manga)> Moro (FP) >> Goku UI (Incomplete)> = Moro (Initial / Current)?
 
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