Recent Chapter Discussion

[SIAD]

How strong would Piccolo (Current) be compared to the ToP Warriors?

  Will Gohan be even stronger than at the end of the ToP?

 

[SSJ2]

Piccolo is on par with SSJBE Vegeta (ToP). Gohan is somewhat beyond that.

 

[Let's Go Fearless!]

Chapter 57 is out!
https://www.viz.com/shonenjump/dragon-ball-super-chapter-57/chapter/19900

 

[Papasmurf]

Apparently Roshi needs clarity of mind to become Ultra Manly Instinct Roshi... also, Saganbo can be powered up to beyond PSSJB tier based on how #17 and Gohan struggled with him... but Moro himself was stated to be something PSSJBs can handle if not for his magical abilities

Either Moro really sucks at increasing his energy as he absorbs others' ki, or Toyotaro asspull

 

[Captain Cadaver]

And so, this chapter continues Super's trend of dumb powerscaling.

The panda guy Kuririn fights is at best equal to him, yet can smack away Kienzans just by doing rollout like the Pokemon he is. Uh, did Toyotaro forget the Kienzan is such a potent technique that it could cut through 2nd form Freeza despite the severe power disadvantage Kuririn was at?

Somehow Tenshinhan is poor at insulting his opponents. Did Toyo also forget the entirety of the 22nd Tenkaichi Budokai?

Guess all the hype going on around the internet last month because of Yamcha actually doing something did what hype does and not live up to expectations with him getting stomped by some irrelevant goon. I guess some no-names were the best he could hope for at this point.

I do like how it's established Roshi can't just always use pseudo-UI and needs to clear his mind, something that would've been difficult to accomplish at many points in DB and Z, so props to Toyotaro for at least attempting to tackle that problem.

#18 couldn't even knock out Shimorekka after some time. I guess Jaco must have simply made some huge GAINZ to be able to fight on par with him

Piccolo and #18 are able to help Saganbo stop pushing #17 back along with Gohan, so it seems they've gotten a pretty decent power up. Makes sense with Piccolo's haxes and #18's brother having already made ridiculous gains from ranging a park. Then again, Jaco also wasn't instantly swatted away, so take it as you will

So, despite Goku being implied to have sensed SSJ Trunks from Yardrat and SS3 tier Ki being capable of being sensed from the Kaioshinkai, a place many sources cite as outside Universe 7's macrocosm, Galu couldn't even sense Gohan from out in space? And despite not being KO'd by Saganbo, Gohan and Piccolo had lost enough Ki that Galu had an easier time sensing Kuririn. PSSB tier Kuririn?

Saganbo can be powered up to beyond PSSJB tier based on how #17 and Gohan struggled with him... but Moro himself was stated to be something PSSJBs can handle if not for his magical abilities

Pretty sure Moro stated at some point after giving the succ to a few planets that he'd reached a point Galu and Vegeta couldn't hope to do anything against.

 

[SSJ2]

Can Moro’s ki not be sensed? How was Goku unable to feel the strongest power on earth?

 

[Captain Cadaver]

Could be that Moro was suppressed. The more important question would be how he didn't even sense Saganbo's power up?

 

[SSJ2]

It didn't sound like he was all that suppressed to me.

Somehow each chapter manages to be worse than the last. Can't wait to see how bad this manga is at chapter 100

 

[Pocket-Gog~]

 

[Pocket-Gog~]

This shit meh. Toyo can't write well at all.

 

[xmysticgohanx]

I forget a decent amount each time smh

 

[SIAD]

How powerful are Sabango, Piccolo and Android # 18 Currently in the Manga?

Sabango should be at the level of Goku PSSJB Pseudo Kaioken?

Piccolo and Android # 18 should be at least at the level of Goku SSJG (Vs Beerus) or at the level of Golden Freezer (RoF)?

How strong are the Fusion of the 3 villains who are fighting against Krillin and Master Roshi?

 

[Let's Go Fearless!]

Just like that, PSSjinB is starting to lose its special.

 

[Papasmurf]

All thanks to a guy who can't even defeat Trunks without Moro's hax 2

 

[Captain Cadaver]

Just like that, PSSjinB is starting to lose its special.

Implying it was still anything special after the ToP

 

[Keedounan]

https://mangaplus.shueisha.co.jp/viewer/1006526

 

[Captain Cadaver]

So, Goku merely saying he's super-excited certainly shows how one-note his characterisation is in Super. Remember back in Z where he had more interesting responses such as telling Kuririn he was both scared and excited about fighting Cell, or before that when he wondered why he felt so calm when arriving on Namek, or before that when he surprised Piccolo by actually being scared and not excited by the thought of fighting those stronger than Raditz? Yeah, I miss when Goku was a character and not a caricature.
Gohan and Piccolo still have enough Ki to put up a fight against Saganbo, yet it was easier for Galu to sense the humans than them? Also, Tenshinhan is amazed Goku oneshotted someone they struggled with despite that being the status-quo ever since Piccolo Daimao. It'd make sense if the humans had indeed made great gains from their training, yet Yamcha says that "Even we were able to beat weaklings like them (the other prisoners)," so it doesn't seem like the humans' power increased much.
Goku's training gains are enough that his PSSB self can now fight against someone far stronger than a Gohan far stronger than the one who stalemated Kefla, which probably makes current PSSB Goku way stronger than ToP SSBE Vegeta. Not that surprising when considering the training he had access to. Also unsurprising was Goku now being able to use Ultra Instinct Sign at will. Not bad, considering most of the training and the start of the arc were building up to him being able to use the technique on demand, but it obviously carries with it the problem of how much power creep will come to the series in order to make things an escalation, unless Toyotaro and Toriyama realise the trappings of this and make magic and abilities far more relevant.

Not the worst chapter in the arc (though you'd need to hit an all time low to earn that title). It still had some really dumb moments, but overall had more aspects of merit than a lot of others in the arc.

 

[Keedounan]

So, Goku merely saying he's super-excited certainly shows how one-note his characterisation is in Super. Remember back in Z where he had more interesting responses such as telling Kuririn he was both scared and excited about fighting Cell, or before that when he wondered why he felt so calm when arriving on Namek, or before that when he surprised Piccolo by actually being scared and not excited by the thought of fighting those stronger than Raditz? Yeah, I miss when Goku was a character and not a caricature.
Gohan and Piccolo still have enough Ki to put up a fight against Saganbo, yet it was easier for Galu to sense the humans than them? Also, Tenshinhan is amazed Goku oneshotted someone they struggled with despite that being the status-quo ever since Piccolo Daimao. It'd make sense if the humans had indeed made great gains from their training, yet Yamcha says that "Even we were able to beat weaklings like them (the other prisoners)," so it doesn't seem like the humans' power increased much.
Goku's training gains are enough that his PSSB self can now fight against someone far stronger than a Gohan far stronger than the one who stalemated Kefla, which probably makes current PSSB Goku way stronger than ToP SSBE Vegeta. Not that surprising when considering the training he had access to. Also unsurprising was Goku now being able to use Ultra Instinct Sign at will. Not bad, considering most of the training and the start of the arc were building up to him being able to use the technique on demand, but it obviously carries with it the problem of how much power creep will come to the series in order to make things an escalation, unless Toyotaro and Toriyama realise the trappings of this and make magic and abilities far more relevant.

Not the worst chapter in the arc (though you'd need to hit an all time low to earn that title). It still had some really dumb moments, but overall had more aspects of merit than a lot of others in the arc.

Your point about the power creep isn't helped by the fact that Goku can also use Hakai, which is for all intent and purpose an instant kill technique. It looks like Toyotaro is aware of this issue and tries his hardest not to let Goku resort to this technique when he had no problem killing ennemies when they proved to be too dangerous and beyond redemption, both of which Moro more than qualifies.

Sure, Goku doesn't like this technique (for some reason) and last time he used it, it used up all of his power, but considering the nature of the attack, it seems more than worth it.

 

[Future Warrior]

The way it's set up, Vegeta will end up being the one to take down Moro.

Also, Goku and Beerus rematch when.

 

[Papasmurf]

Considering this is the Super manga (which failed to bring Vegeta into the spotlight against Zamasu), I'm not entirely sure Vegeta will be the one who defeats Moro. If he is the one who does beat Moro, I doubt the way UI Goku loses to Moro will be anywhere near satisfying