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Captain Cadaver said:
The Yardrats make such a big deal about their Ki control and so does the narrative, yet it's nothing different from what we've seen before when it comes to techniques such as multiplication (Shishin no Ken) or gigantification (Piccolo's Giant form).

Its Spirit Control, its a totally new thing separate from Ki control. :troll :troll
 

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Spirit control is the new thing. We all better get used to it for the next couple months until Moro is defeated, and then it'll be forgotten about.
 

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The chapter 53 is out, in english.

https://mangaplus.shueisha.co.jp/viewer/1004786?fbclid=IwAR1g9iFhc8kocTI60PHT6tD55FZzZ1V9jLT3BpSGyS7iiYUqxZqHaDtKVcY
 

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As for my review.

The chapter starts with them having brought Krillin, as well as the suggestion of fighters who could help. However, Tenshinhan not having a cell phone when Dende could locate #17 in the previous arc is a poor excuse for putting him on the bench. One could also wonder why no one suggested to bring the aforementioned #17, or #18 instead bringing Krillin and suggesting the guy who didn't even make the cut in the Tournament of Power. 

The main threat of the chapter, 73, is nothing special. His ability to copy abilities by touching the neck isn't anything we haven't seen before, so I can't say I'm impressed. 

Piccolo continues his cycle of incompetence from the previous chapter by outright letting his guard down against someone he has been told could copy his abilities. It's quite jarring to see someone supposed to be as experienced and intelligent as him make such blatant mistakes. Jaco giving him shit for it was refreshing, though he isn't one to talk when he neglects to mention he his opponent has limitless stamina..

Gohan arrives and saves Piccolo, with him confirming that he's indeed the strongest on Earth aside from Goku and Vegeta. This should close the debates on his power from ToP arc, unless we assume that he got weaker since then.

The training with Goku and Vegeta continues. Not much to note there, except that we learn that Goku stayed on Yardrat for at least 150 days to get his Shunkan Ido. 

Overall, the chapter was inferior to the previous one, but it's still pretty far from the rock bottom quality that we got to see in Super.
 

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Esca is old enough that Dende can recognise him at first sight despite having left Namek over a decade ago? You could assume Dende met him on his visit in the Boo Arc, but it seems like a big stretch to assume he'd become well acquainted with him in such a small timeframe.

The chapter was one of the better ones by this arc's standards, even when having some major contrivances and CIS. I do like the idea of side characters like Piccolo and Kuririn being given some shine, though the relevance of their opponents in the plot cause this to just be the obligatory second-act battle in almost every Shonen nowadays, as well as some of DB's own arcs with enemies that ended up as just filler villains. 73 is at least a more interesting villain than Moro due to his powers being better defined and his background fitting far better into post-Freeza Arc DB's world building than his master. Unfortunately, he's still just a redrawn Hit with #21's gimmick, but Moro is even more unoriginal in backstory and powers and only has a more original design going for him.
It's unfortunate that despite the relevance Piccolo could hold in the plot thematically due to the focus on New Namek, it seems he's going to get shafted yet again. At least Gohan might be given some respect like in the manga's ToP, but I doubt it'll last once Moro shows up.

At least the chapter confirmed Merus is able to physically overpower Base Goku, thus confirming his power isn't just in his reactions.

Keedounan said:
The chapter starts with them having brought Krillin, as well as the suggestion of fighters who could help. However, Tenshinhan not having a cell phone when Dende could locate #17 in the previous arc is a poor excuse for putting him on the bench.
To be fair, constantly zipping across the planet to collect everyone would have made things more difficult for those actively choosing to participate in the battle getting to the meeting point.

One could also wonder why no one suggested to bring the aforementioned #17, or #18 instead bringing Krillin and suggesting the guy who didn't even make the cut in the Tournament of Power.
Considering that the threat wasn't treat as so demanding that Kuririn was fine with waiting until Gohan had finished his class, I'm guessing they weren't treating it as enough of an immediate threat for many fighters to go out of their way. Bulma described Kuririn as the only one with free time on their hands she could bring, suggesting #17 was busy with his job and #18 was busy looking after Marron.

Gohan arrives and saves Piccolo, with him confirming that he's indeed the strongest on Earth aside from Goku and Vegeta. This should close the debates on his power from ToP arc, unless we assume that he got weaker since then.
Vegeta has been shown to be capable of using SSBE at will, whilst Goku could be naturally assumed to be top dog due to status-quo (or maybe being able to use Pseudo-Kaioken now), so I wouldn't say it clears up the PSSBs VS Ultimate Gohan debate in the formers' favour.
 

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Doesn't Gohan being confirmed strongest also make him > #17 as well? He was near enough CSSJB tier in the ToP arc, so it could be that that statement about Goku and Vegeta getting stronger after the Broly arc did indeed hold some merit, or it could be Piccolo and Gohan factoring in SSJBE and Ultra Instinct.
 

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Kenshi said:
so it could be that that statement about Goku and Vegeta getting stronger after the Broly arc did indeed hold some merit
Could be, though that statement would also imply Moro Arc PSSB Goku/Vegeta > MUI Galu :troll2
 

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Captain Cadaver said:
Kenshi said:
so it could be that that statement about Goku and Vegeta getting stronger after the Broly arc did indeed hold some merit
Could be, though that statement would also imply Moro Arc PSSB Goku/Vegeta > MUI Galu :troll2

MUI Galu didn't even appear in the Broly movie :CC
 

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I think we're supposed to discount MUI when that's a pinnacle Galu is still trying to replicate :p
 

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That's what makes the most sense, though it being specified as stronger than ever would have to still include MUI by definition. Then again, that may be a Viz inaccuracy.
 

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So Krillin and Piccolo get beat up a botamo and hit reskins :troll? Also Vegeta going to yardrat and leaning I.T sounds like some shit I read from a fanfic.
 

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Gohan with one finger should end with 73 and company.

  Do you think Goku / Vegeta PSSJB (Arc Moro)> = Gohan Ultimate (End of ToP) >>>>>>> Goku / Vegeta PSSJB (ToP)?

  I imagine that Meerus must be in the range between Jiren (FP) and Whis.
 

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Then the Current Chapter confirms that Humans are not complete forrage for Base Saiyans.

  By the way, I think Jaco increased his powers remarkably, he resisted blows from his opponent. How strong will Jaco (Current) be?
 

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SIAD said:
Then the Current Chapter confirms that Humans are not complete forrage for Base Saiyans.

  By the way, I think Jaco increased his powers remarkably, he resisted blows from his opponent. How strong will Jaco (Current) be?

Nothing suggests that he is stronger than before so surely weaker than someone like Nappa.
 

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The action at the beginning was nice. Glad to see Toyotaro can at least stay consistent with Gohan being far above the non-Saiyans and having not become rusty. Piccolo changing his gi without Gohan asking him did seem forced though.
73 not grabbing Gohan when he had the chance does ruin the efficient nature he was presented as having and makes the fight pretty pointless.

So Merus is one of the Angels, as many could easily predict by now. Good we got confirmation of why he didn't deal with prior threats, making the arc at least slightly more consistent.

Probably one of the better chapters of this arc. That's not saying much, but it's something.
 

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