Ssj namek vegeta vs freeza (50%)

[p123]

We know a couple of things.

1) Throw out Goku's 3 million number. It's pure shit. Yes. Forget it. Let it go. Use your brain.

2) Serious Freeza >>= Serious Goku > Warm Up Freeza >= Warm Up Goku > Initial Freeza >>= Vegeta

There is quite a gap between Goku and Vegeta me boys. This gap has long been unknown, people never do their homework with this series. That chain, is not common knowledge. Only elites are aware of the true chains in this series. Vegeta is actually a worm here. He is shitting his pants at the thought of fighting Initial Freeza, then works himself up that he can't lose because he's a Super Saiyan. Freeza doesn't like this guy being anywhere close to him so he bumps it up a few notches and fucking shits on Vegeta. Then Vegeta goes all out with a full powered blast just to have it get kicked back. Vegeta is a lot weaker than we thought. Maybe a better way to put it is that Freeza and Goku are a lot stronger than we though. Vegeta should be able to absolutely shit on 3rd Form Freeza with ease.

So yea, this battle, is perhaps good. I haven't gotten the spacing down to an exact science but it's coming.

I'll get into that more another day.

 

[KyuubiAhri]

thanks god someone on this thread knows what we are talking about

 

[freezamite]

We know a couple of things.

1) Throw out Goku's 3 million number. It's pure shit. Yes. Forget it. Let it go. Use your brain.

2) Serious Freeza >>= Serious Goku > Warm Up Freeza >= Warm Up Goku > Initial Freeza >>= Vegeta

But "warm up" Goku was already using KKx10, Vegeta was stronger than Goku.

 

[Evil Vegeta]

He was already using Kaio-Ken x10 in your opinion. It's not a fact.

Vegeta said Goku overcame his limits and was close to being a Super Saiyan. Krillin said Goku's Chi was completely different than it was from before. The entire context is on Goku's normal power

 

[p123]

EV, do not suffer fools. Ignore and progress the conversation. Freezamite will be banned sooner or later, don't let your urge to disprove his nonsense dominate the narrative. He is worthless.

 

[Ultimate Cell]

Vegeta stomps 50%Freiza as a SSJ. Here are my levels. Namek Vegeta 2,400,000.SSJ Vegeta 120,000,000. Freiza 50% 67,500,000. Full Power Freiza would be a better fight.

 

[p123]

Your numbers are likely off. Here, fill in the numbers and be blown the fuck out...

Freeza (Max Effort)
Goku (Full Power)
Freeza (Warming Up)
Goku (Warming Up)
Freeza (Initial)
Vegeta

You can't fill that out reasonable with those tight gaps you have, you imbecile.

 

[KyuubiAhri]

I do hope friezasmite turns over a new leaf instead of being banned.he has potential do be one of the top dogs

 

[p123]

If you say so. The guy still hasn't figured out some of the basic stuff. Things that were figured out 5-10 years ago, he still doesn't get. It's like he's stuck in a time warp or something. He's your typical 2008 DBZ Poster lol.

 

[Future Warrior]

I think Vegeta is barely over 50% Freeza. Goku is 2x stronger than Vegeta imo, And Freeza is right up there with Goku. Vegeta takes this with mid-high difficulty.

 

[p123]

Show us why you think that Future Warrior. Do a break down of Freeza's three different levels of his Initial power and explain why the gaps should be such and such size. Merely saying you think something is not enough, show us why.

 

[Evil Vegeta]

You right, p. I should know better by this point.

Most people believe Freeza raised his power when he decided to raise his speed. How likely is it that his power went up when he kicked Vegeta's blast?

 

[p123]

Very likely. Everyone is shocked by Freeza's ability to do so as well as a huge difference in reaction from Freeza when he feels it is a powerful blast. Freeza gets very serious, is clearly straining and kicking the blast back with full power.

So we see 3 powers of Freeza when he fights Vegeta. We also see 3 powers against Goku. These levels should be more or less the same for both Vegeta and Goku.

It's only a theory, but it seems very good, no one really goes against it. Hell, you can't get too much discussion out of the topic, people get lost and just repeat Goku is 3 million like drones.

 

[Evil Vegeta]

It is a good theory.

Goku being way above 3 million makes more sense when taking everything into consideration. Vegeta's comments on Goku and the way Goku deflects those beams put him far above Vegeta. I'd like to think there was a rather significant difference between Goku/Freeza and Vegeta right there.

 

[Ultimate Cell]

I think people take the gaps too literal for the freiza saga. Their nothing wrong with havin Goku a 3 million and Vegeta in the 2.5 through 2 million range when a 20% difference in power can change the outcome of a battle. Gokus power level of 16,000 was useless against vegeta power level of 18,000 during the saiyan saga despite being only a 10% gap.Vegeta Power Level increased to 24,000 and easily toys with Cui who has 18,000 pl. Only 25% gap but it looks like the gap is higher. Its shown when Vegeta effortlessly kills dodoria and beats Zarbon with PL in the 20,000-23,000 range. Monster Zarbon PL is barely in the 27,000- 29,000 range but thrashes Vegeta. So its not insane to have Goku a 3 million or Vegeta at 2.4 million when in DragonBall a 25% advantage in power can mean a complete stomp in battle.

 

[p123]

Yep you got it.

How do we define each level?

Initial Freeza

1) Vegeta is clearly scared of this power, but convinces himself he is a Super Saiyan and he won't lose. Vegeta is probably strong enough to be somewhat competitive, he can clearly see Freeza's movements.

2) This has to be the level he used against Goku initially. Goku easily deflected his blasts and shitted on Freeza.

Initial Goku > Initial Freeza >>= Vegeta


Powered Up

1) This is the power he uses that Vegeta cannot see him. He uses this power to completely tool a helpless Vegeta easily.

2) This is the power he uses to fight Goku with in their warm up.

Powered Up Freeza >= Initial Goku

Max Effort

1) This level is used when Vegeta's "Final Burst Cannon" scares Freeza, getting his full attention and his full power.

2) This is "No Hands" Freeza who is clearly above "Full Power" Goku.



In total here is the chain...


Max Effort Freeza >>= FP Goku > Powered Up Freeza >= Initial Goku > Initial Freeza >>= Vegeta

 

[p123]

Of course you think that UG. Much easier to go with that line of thinking than to prove your point numerically. We all know that you simply can't because you have zero logic behind your nonsense. You are playing with the big boys now kid, this is probably a good time to keep your mouth shut ask questions and learn.

 

[Ultimate Cell]

Of course you think that UG. Much easier to go with that line of thinking than to prove your point numerically. We all know that you simply can't because you have zero logic behind your nonsense. You are playing with the big boys now kid, this is probably a good time to keep your mouth shut ask questions and learn.

Dude what the hell is your problem. Here Im stating something and your acting like an asshole towards me. Just because I support that Gokus a 3 million, that makes me a dumbass?

 

[p123]

No, it is why you are a dumbass. If you are going to be on this forum, you will learn and you will learn quickly. Now show me a numerical expression of your thought for each of the characters I told you to showcase. The quicker we get you to realize you are wrong, the quicker we can move on. Now quit your crying, wipe that vagina of yours and do what you are told.

 

[Ultimate Cell]

No, it is why you are a dumbass. If you are going to be on this forum, you will learn and you will learn quickly. Now show me a numerical expression of your thought for each of the characters I told you to showcase. The quicker we get you to realize you are wrong, the quicker we can move on. Now quit your crying, wipe that vagina of yours and do what you are told.

Wow you must be really fun at parties. Im am simply stating my opinion and here you're calling me dumbass like some edgy kid. And when do you have the authority to boss me around. You're acting too seriously for such a subject. So please cool it.