Were the Cell Jr.s playing-around against Vegeta & Trunks?

[Fantastische Hure]

Yeah, Piccolo knows the Androids are strong enough to destroy Trunks in the future yet he still wanted to train because he doesn't want to die which mean he should train to get stronger and not to get killed. That situation is similar here and that was before Goku showed his 50% power.

Vegeta's arrogance in this arc is high so juding his reaction is useless, plus I don't think that scene is in manga.

So he doesn't have to be stronger than anyone? Just powerful enough to be considered on a different level. #16 level at best sounds good to me.

Please look through and tell me, if you can. And please don't lie,

But he was confident on fighting Cell and wanted to in ROSAT first so that should tell us he should be on par or stronger than Trunks/Cell.

But he was't confident. He even called Semi-Perfect Cell an unreachable power, l0l. How does he surpass anyone?

 

[Let's Go Fearless!]

So he doesn't have to be stronger than anyone? Just powerful enough to be considered on a different level. #16 level at best sounds good to me.

Please look through and tell me, if you can. And please don't lie,

But he was confident on fighting Cell and wanted to in ROSAT first so that should tell us he should be on par or stronger than Trunks/Cell.

But he was't confident. He even called Semi-Perfect Cell an unreachable power, l0l. How does he surpass anyone?

Because he underrestimate the ROSAT gains and after witnessing Vegeta and Trunks's power, he decided to try it.

 

[Fantastische Hure]

But he was confident on fighting Cell and wanted to in ROSAT first so that should tell us he should be on par or stronger than Trunks/Cell.

But he was't confident. He even called Semi-Perfect Cell an unreachable power, l0l. How does he surpass anyone?

Because he underrestimate the ROSAT gains and after witnessing Vegeta and Trunks's power, he decided to try it.

He does know his limit though.

And he thought his genkai was below Semi-Perfect Cell, so...

 

[ahill1]

The point is there's nothing to lose. Some of it is kind-of inconsistent anyway, like Tenshinhan standing. I don't know whether you can base your opinion on only something as ambiguous as that.

Alright. It's just pointless to reinforce it when it's already something set in stone. Even if AT wanted reinforce it, he could have portrayed Piccolo way worse than Vegeta and Trunks were, but still standing, even if struggling to do it, like he was after Imperfect Cell beatdown or after 3rd form Freeza's. Tenshinhan was standing for one panel, where we barely see what he was doing and when Gohan stopped the fight, he was already in the ground like the other humans.

Pre 2nd RoSaT Vegeta treated Piccolo just like he treated him post RoSaT. Piccolo also didn't bother saying "you want to try me?", like he did around the time Freeza returned.

That was filler. Even going by that filler, Trunks was surprised at how much Piccolo powered up, so there's a chance Vegeta was doing that just to piss Piccolo off.

Piccolo also asked Tenshinhan whether he wanted to enter RoSaT. That means Tenshinhan could have surpassed Cell/Trunks Level.

He didn't, Tenshinhan himself said he'd not go for a trip in the Rosat, without even being invited.

Well in that other example you mentioned Vegeta was the strongest Saiyan out of them anyway

The same way Vegeta and Trunks were clearly stronger than Piccolo. Anyway, Cell's second line about who was fighting evenly against the Cell Juniors is a bit ambiguous (is that the right word?) and doesn't necessarily imply Veggie and Trunks were the only ones fighting evenly. Herms made note of it more than one time.

He even called Semi-Perfect Cell an unreachable power

That line doesn't mean much, since Kuririn also stated he couldn't surpass the Ginyu Force even in thousand years and ended up doing so by a large amount.

 

[Fantastische Hure]

The point is there's nothing to lose. Some of it is kind-of inconsistent anyway, like Tenshinhan standing. I don't know whether you can base your opinion on only something as ambiguous as that.

Alright. It's just pointless to reinforce it when it's already something set in stone. Even if AT wanted reinforce it, he could have portrayed Piccolo way worse than Vegeta and Trunks were, but still standing, even if struggling to do it, like he was after Imperfect Cell beatdown or after 3rd form Freeza's. Tenshinhan was standing for one panel, where we barely see what he was doing and when Gohan stopped the fight, he was already in the ground like the other humans.

Pre 2nd RoSaT Vegeta treated Piccolo just like he treated him post RoSaT. Piccolo also didn't bother saying "you want to try me?", like he did around the time Freeza returned.

That was filler. Even going by that filler, Trunks was surprised at how much Piccolo powered up, so there's a chance Vegeta was doing that just to piss Piccolo off.

Piccolo also asked Tenshinhan whether he wanted to enter RoSaT. That means Tenshinhan could have surpassed Cell/Trunks Level.

He didn't, Tenshinhan himself said he'd not go for a trip in the Rosat, without even being invited.

Well in that other example you mentioned Vegeta was the strongest Saiyan out of them anyway

The same way Vegeta and Trunks were clearly stronger than Piccolo. Anyway, Cell's second line about who was fighting evenly against the Cell Juniors is a bit ambiguous (is that the right word?) and doesn't necessarily imply Veggie and Trunks were the only ones fighting evenly. Herms made note of it more than one time.

He even called Semi-Perfect Cell an unreachable power

That line doesn't mean much, since Kuririn also stated he couldn't surpass the Ginyu Force even in thousand years and ended up doing so by a large amount.

Kuririn under-estimated his potential as was shown before, when he thought he couldn't be of any use. The elder Namekian had to tell him he had great potential. Piccolo was never really proven wrong.

If Piccolo really was of any relevance why was he not included in any statement in the saga? I mean even Vegeta & Trunks had statements that clearly showed they were somewhat notable, Piccolo was mostly grouped with the other humans as almost nothing. Not one single statement. Goku treated him like he was absolutely nothing and he even said he should maybe de-fuse back into Kami.

Really there's almost nothing in Piccolo's favour for him to be this powerful?

 

[Tapion]

The point is there's nothing to lose. Some of it is kind-of inconsistent anyway, like Tenshinhan standing. I don't know whether you can base your opinion on only something as ambiguous as that.

Alright. It's just pointless to reinforce it when it's already something set in stone. Even if AT wanted reinforce it, he could have portrayed Piccolo way worse than Vegeta and Trunks were, but still standing, even if struggling to do it, like he was after Imperfect Cell beatdown or after 3rd form Freeza's. Tenshinhan was standing for one panel, where we barely see what he was doing and when Gohan stopped the fight, he was already in the ground like the other humans.

Pre 2nd RoSaT Vegeta treated Piccolo just like he treated him post RoSaT. Piccolo also didn't bother saying "you want to try me?", like he did around the time Freeza returned.

That was filler. Even going by that filler, Trunks was surprised at how much Piccolo powered up, so there's a chance Vegeta was doing that just to piss Piccolo off.

Piccolo also asked Tenshinhan whether he wanted to enter RoSaT. That means Tenshinhan could have surpassed Cell/Trunks Level.

He didn't, Tenshinhan himself said he'd not go for a trip in the Rosat, without even being invited.

Well in that other example you mentioned Vegeta was the strongest Saiyan out of them anyway

The same way Vegeta and Trunks were clearly stronger than Piccolo. Anyway, Cell's second line about who was fighting evenly against the Cell Juniors is a bit ambiguous (is that the right word?) and doesn't necessarily imply Veggie and Trunks were the only ones fighting evenly. Herms made note of it more than one time.

He even called Semi-Perfect Cell an unreachable power

That line doesn't mean much, since Kuririn also stated he couldn't surpass the Ginyu Force even in thousand years and ended up doing so by a large amount.

Kuririn under-estimated his potential as was shown before, when he thought he couldn't be of any use. The elder Namekian had to tell him he had great potential. Piccolo was never really proven wrong.

If Piccolo really was of any relevance why was he not included in any statement in the saga? I mean even Vegeta & Trunks had statements that clearly showed they were somewhat notable, Piccolo was mostly grouped with the other humans as almost nothing. Not one single statement. Goku treated him like he was absolutely nothing and he even said he should maybe de-fuse back into Kami.

Really there's almost nothing in Piccolo's favour for him to be this powerful?

First of all; Goku said he should defuse because of the Dragon Balls
Second; Cell's wording(Vegeta or Trunks) implies he is just listing the first examples that come to his mind, because Vegeta and Trunks were still somewhat stronger than Piccolo at the time.
Third; He is shown standing thrice, and those 3 times were after Cell made the statement. He was never grouped with the humans, and this is the proof:

 

[Fantastische Hure]

Alright. It's just pointless to reinforce it when it's already something set in stone. Even if AT wanted reinforce it, he could have portrayed Piccolo way worse than Vegeta and Trunks were, but still standing, even if struggling to do it, like he was after Imperfect Cell beatdown or after 3rd form Freeza's. Tenshinhan was standing for one panel, where we barely see what he was doing and when Gohan stopped the fight, he was already in the ground like the other humans.

That was filler. Even going by that filler, Trunks was surprised at how much Piccolo powered up, so there's a chance Vegeta was doing that just to piss Piccolo off.

He didn't, Tenshinhan himself said he'd not go for a trip in the Rosat, without even being invited.

The same way Vegeta and Trunks were clearly stronger than Piccolo. Anyway, Cell's second line about who was fighting evenly against the Cell Juniors is a bit ambiguous (is that the right word?) and doesn't necessarily imply Veggie and Trunks were the only ones fighting evenly. Herms made note of it more than one time.

That line doesn't mean much, since Kuririn also stated he couldn't surpass the Ginyu Force even in thousand years and ended up doing so by a large amount.

Kuririn under-estimated his potential as was shown before, when he thought he couldn't be of any use. The elder Namekian had to tell him he had great potential. Piccolo was never really proven wrong.

If Piccolo really was of any relevance why was he not included in any statement in the saga? I mean even Vegeta & Trunks had statements that clearly showed they were somewhat notable, Piccolo was mostly grouped with the other humans as almost nothing. Not one single statement. Goku treated him like he was absolutely nothing and he even said he should maybe de-fuse back into Kami.

Really there's almost nothing in Piccolo's favour for him to be this powerful?

First of all; Goku said he should defuse because of the Dragon Balls
Second; Cell's wording(Vegeta or Trunks) implies he is just listing the first examples that come to his mind, because Vegeta and Trunks were still somewhat stronger than Piccolo at the time.
Third; He is shown standing thrice, and those 3 times were after Cell made the statement. He was never grouped with the humans, and this is the proof:

After saying he was useless, yeah.

Piccolo might just as-well have been grouped with the humans. There's absolutely no power-statements for him in the saga, besides Goku calling him useless. Kind-of sad really.

 

[Tapion]

Kuririn under-estimated his potential as was shown before, when he thought he couldn't be of any use. The elder Namekian had to tell him he had great potential. Piccolo was never really proven wrong.

If Piccolo really was of any relevance why was he not included in any statement in the saga? I mean even Vegeta & Trunks had statements that clearly showed they were somewhat notable, Piccolo was mostly grouped with the other humans as almost nothing. Not one single statement. Goku treated him like he was absolutely nothing and he even said he should maybe de-fuse back into Kami.

Really there's almost nothing in Piccolo's favour for him to be this powerful?

First of all; Goku said he should defuse because of the Dragon Balls
Second; Cell's wording(Vegeta or Trunks) implies he is just listing the first examples that come to his mind, because Vegeta and Trunks were still somewhat stronger than Piccolo at the time.
Third; He is shown standing thrice, and those 3 times were after Cell made the statement. He was never grouped with the humans, and this is the proof:

After saying he was useless, yeah.

Piccolo might just as-well have been grouped with the humans. There's absolutely no power-statements for him in the saga, besides Goku calling him useless. Kind-of sad really.

What's the proof Vegeta or Trunks would do any good either? Vegeta flat-out tells the audience he can't win against Cell, and nobody says "Wow! Vegeta and Trunks are extremely close to Goku! They might be useful against Cell now"

There are the feats where Piccolo is shown counterattacking the Cell Jrs and standing thrice.

 

[Fantastische Hure]

First of all; Goku said he should defuse because of the Dragon Balls
Second; Cell's wording(Vegeta or Trunks) implies he is just listing the first examples that come to his mind, because Vegeta and Trunks were still somewhat stronger than Piccolo at the time.
Third; He is shown standing thrice, and those 3 times were after Cell made the statement. He was never grouped with the humans, and this is the proof:

After saying he was useless, yeah.

Piccolo might just as-well have been grouped with the humans. There's absolutely no power-statements for him in the saga, besides Goku calling him useless. Kind-of sad really.

What's the proof Vegeta or Trunks would do any good either? Vegeta flat-out tells the audience he can't win against Cell, and nobody says "Wow! Vegeta and Trunks are extremely close to Goku! They might be useful against Cell now"

There are the feats where Piccolo is shown counterattacking the Cell Jrs and standing thrice.

Countering the Cell Jr.s? That's new to me. All I heard is he was standing.

At-least Vegeta and Trunks do have statements and Cell looks at them as the next two possible challengers if Goku was away at the time. Piccolo is no-where mentioned.

Also Vegeta goes into the RoSaT the 2nd time shooting to surpass 50% Goku, not Piccolo. Piccolo's power didn't seem note-worthy at-all to him.

 

[Let's Go Fearless!]

But he was't confident. He even called Semi-Perfect Cell an unreachable power, l0l. How does he surpass anyone?

Because he underrestimate the ROSAT gains and after witnessing Vegeta and Trunks's power, he decided to try it.

He does know his limit though.

And he thought his genkai was below Semi-Perfect Cell, so...

The same thing he said to Vegeta not to underestimate Semi Cell yet Vegeta was kicking his assistant which shows how he underestimate the gains in ROSAT.

 

[Fantastische Hure]

Because he underrestimate the ROSAT gains and after witnessing Vegeta and Trunks's power, he decided to try it.

He does know his limit though.

And he thought his genkai was below Semi-Perfect Cell, so...

The same thing he said to Vegeta not to underestimate Semi Cell yet Vegeta was kicking his assistant which shows how he underestimate the gains in ROSAT.

Because he didn't know how powerful Vegeta had become, if anything it helps my point. Piccolo doesn't see his limit or anyone's maybe even being above Semi-Perfect Cell.

 

[Let's Go Fearless!]

He does know his limit though.

And he thought his genkai was below Semi-Perfect Cell, so...

The same thing he said to Vegeta not to underestimate Semi Cell yet Vegeta was kicking his assistant which shows how he underestimate the gains in ROSAT.

Because he didn't know how powerful Vegeta had become, if anything it helps my point. Piccolo doesn't see his limit or anyone's maybe even being above Semi-Perfect Cell.

Limit doesn't mean anything since they always break it similar to Gohan where Goku was shocked that Gohan was still hiding a huge amount of potential.

The important here is Piccolo was determined to fight Cell who beat Trunks before knowing that Cell can get stronger than that.

 

[Fantastische Hure]

The same thing he said to Vegeta not to underestimate Semi Cell yet Vegeta was kicking his assistant which shows how he underestimate the gains in ROSAT.

Because he didn't know how powerful Vegeta had become, if anything it helps my point. Piccolo doesn't see his limit or anyone's maybe even being above Semi-Perfect Cell.

Limit doesn't mean anything since they always break it similar to Gohan where Goku was shocked that Gohan was still hiding a huge amount of potential.

The important here is Piccolo was determined to fight Cell who beat Trunks before knowing that Cell can get stronger than that.

Except he knew he was useless.

This is going in circles.

 

[Let's Go Fearless!]

Because he didn't know how powerful Vegeta had become, if anything it helps my point. Piccolo doesn't see his limit or anyone's maybe even being above Semi-Perfect Cell.

Limit doesn't mean anything since they always break it similar to Gohan where Goku was shocked that Gohan was still hiding a huge amount of potential.

The important here is Piccolo was determined to fight Cell who beat Trunks before knowing that Cell can get stronger than that.

Except he knew he was useless.

This is going in circles.

Yeah after knowing that Cell is still stronger than Goku who is stronger than Trunks/Buff Cell.

 

[Fantastische Hure]

Limit doesn't mean anything since they always break it similar to Gohan where Goku was shocked that Gohan was still hiding a huge amount of potential.

The important here is Piccolo was determined to fight Cell who beat Trunks before knowing that Cell can get stronger than that.

Except he knew he was useless.

This is going in circles.

Yeah after knowing that Cell is still stronger than Goku who is stronger than Trunks/Buff Cell.

Nah, he went in knowing he had no chance of defeating Cell. He doesn't come-out being all surprised about how useless he is.

 

[Let's Go Fearless!]

Except he knew he was useless.

This is going in circles.

Yeah after knowing that Cell is still stronger than Goku who is stronger than Trunks/Buff Cell.

Nah, he went in knowing he had no chance of defeating Cell. He doesn't come-out being all surprised about how useless he is.

Useless against Cell who is stronger than Goku? Sure, but not useless against Buff Cell/Trunks.

 

[Fantastische Hure]

Yeah after knowing that Cell is still stronger than Goku who is stronger than Trunks/Buff Cell.

Nah, he went in knowing he had no chance of defeating Cell. He doesn't come-out being all surprised about how useless he is.

Useless against Cell who is stronger than Goku? Sure, but not useless against Buff Cell/Trunks.

Piccolo wasn't even surprised about being useless, meng. He's like "I know I'm useless", right when he comes-out of the RoSaT.

Why would he go into the RoSaT trying to surpass their power when what he could be trying is to surpass Cell?

 

[Let's Go Fearless!]

Nah, he went in knowing he had no chance of defeating Cell. He doesn't come-out being all surprised about how useless he is.

Useless against Cell who is stronger than Goku? Sure, but not useless against Buff Cell/Trunks.

Piccolo wasn't even surprised about being useless, meng. He's like "I know I'm useless", right when he comes-out of the RoSaT.

Why would he go into the RoSaT trying to surpass their power when what he could be trying is to surpass Cell?

He's useless against Cell who should be able to beat Goku but he was confident about his training against Buff Cell.

Expected Cell > 50% Goku > Piccolo > Buff Cell/Trunks

Against Buff Cell: I must train in the ROSAT.
Against Expected Cell who is stronger than Goku: I'm useless.

 

[Future Warrior]

I'd say Piccolo is at least stronger than Tired Goku since he was getting rekt harder by the Jr's, which I can't imagine being weaker than the likes of Semi Perfect Cell.

 

[Fantastische Hure]

Useless against Cell who is stronger than Goku? Sure, but not useless against Buff Cell/Trunks.

Piccolo wasn't even surprised about being useless, meng. He's like "I know I'm useless", right when he comes-out of the RoSaT.

Why would he go into the RoSaT trying to surpass their power when what he could be trying is to surpass Cell?

He's useless against Cell who should be able to beat Goku but he was confident about his training against Buff Cell.

Expected Cell > 50% Goku > Piccolo > Buff Cell/Trunks

Against Buff Cell: I must train in the ROSAT.
Against Expected Cell who is stronger than Goku: I'm useless.

Nah. Piccolo is good at being able to see hidden powers, he knew he was useless from the beginning.