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No way in hell is Android 19 Post comparable to Android 20 Post. Android 20 was legitimately fast enough to intercept Vegeta's blast and escape from him. This astonished Vegeta despite being privy to Android 19's speed. Piccolo also mentioned that Android 20 specifically selected their battle...

Mine is pretty close. Goku 100 Kid Gohan 96 Vegeta 80 Teen Gohan 60 Cell 43 I think the 10/8/6 split between the Buu Arc Saiyans is perfect.

Piccolo was uncertain whereas Vegeta called them trash. Goku and Piccolo both approached the Androids being uncertain whether they could beat them despite outstripping Yardrat Goku. It's possible that they expected them to be much, much stronger than Yardrat Goku rather than just being much...

Time for me to try. Trunks Saga Mecha Freeza: 160 King Cold: 100 SSJ Trunks ~ vs. Frieza/Goku: 240 ~ Full Power: 265 SSJ Goku: 291.5 Androids Saga Android 19: 300 ~ Post: 350 Android 20: 385 ~ Post: 455 SSJ Goku: 672 ~ Sick (Initial): 470 ~ Sicker: 420 ~ Post-KHH: 350-- SSJ Vegeta: 700...

It was made clear that Kuririn couldn't push the boulder as far as Goku could if I recall. Goku should be slightly stronger even though they are rivals. I do like the 90/100 gap because it's clean but there could be some basis for it. Goku treated Chun's initial punch as no big deal whereas...

That has nothing to do with the conversation. Being unreliable has no bearing on whether or not the kids, not Gotenks, could sense ki and evaluate ki properly. The fact that Goten and Trunks made the same judgement as Piccolo would mean that there was some credibility behind that. Their lack of...

You can make the same argument against Vegeta and yet the story still presents Vegeta as one of the greatest geniuses in the series. This is a cop-out and doesn't address the bottom line that every character has something in common i.e. their ability to sense ki and evaluate it. The only reason...

Let me take a swing at it. Base Gotenks 90 Majin Vegeta 100 Super Saiyan 3 Goku 800 Super Saiyan Gotenks 900 Base Gotenks Post/Expected Super Buu 1,500 Super Saiyan Gotenks 15,000 Super Saiyan 2 Gotenks 21,500 Super Saiyan...

She acknowledged Mighty Mask as strong from the onset and immediately battled him with a firm stance. Nothing supports her holding back in that sequence. With Vegeta, it's obvious she was just joking around with him. As for the thread, I stick with the Daizenshuu. The boys are on par with...

What is the exact statement given?

Android 18 was keeping up with Android 17 during the Moro Arc so she would curbstomp SSJ3 Gotenks.

Taking the scene as it is would mean that they were capable of defending against the Cell Jrs.

It's implied by Cell's statement that he was never holding their own. In the case of the kids, the only thing we have to go by is them throwing hands against the Cell Jrs. without ever being dominated. And in all of those cases, the weaker fighter is evidently dominated. No such thing happened...

I thought so too. I'm just entertaining the idea that Base Kids Pre are many times below Gohan while simultaneously being capable of defending against multiple Cell Juniors after the Rosat. I used to think they were at least on par with the Cell Jrs prior but my discussions with Feats made me...

words words words, kyo said it best.

Yes. Across two equal fighters, Power and Total Energy should remain the same. Frieza wasn't that far off from Goku but he gassed out far too quickly compared to SSJ Goku whose power didn't drop. Stamina was definitely at play here and it's basically like you said, the rate of energy...

They were trained to deter any threat. Why wouldn't they finish the boys?

I'm being generous here but they were able to defend themselves against multiple of them. I don't buy into the whole "they were holding back because they were laughing." That's their childish demeanor which is no different than how Kid Buu was against SSJ3 Goku. They were ordered to defend...

I really don't know what you're talking about. I was using the wrong term for it but what I really meant was that power doesn't necessarily drop at the same rate as energy does as I have asserted countless times. It should be obvious to anyone that power depends on energy because you can't...

I think I already explained myself here. It's possible assuming the kids are on par with Cell Jrs. despite being many times below Teen Gohan prior.