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The gaps you have are fine, these are mine: Super Buu: 100 SSJ3 Gotenks : 100 Ultimate Gohan: 160 Buutenks: 200

That only requires Goku's Kamehameha to be more energy exhaustive than everything Goku was doing up until this point. That doesn't suggest that Goku's Kamehameha yielded a level of energy that would boost Android 19's by 50% nor does it really address that Goku's stamina was already depleting...

That's blatantly what is shown. It was a hastily made Kamehameha when Goku's stamina was already fairly depleted hence the sweating and panting prior to the blast. After the Kamehameha, Goku still managed to fight back before the virus crippled him further. The only thing your argument suggests...

That's what Gohan was thinking and he entered the fight intending to adhere to the "no Super Saiyan rule".

Gohan entered the fight still believing he could win while adhering to the "no Super Saiyan" rule and his thought process remains consistent with this. The only thing he has doubts of is winning by accident. He doesn't doubt his ability to win by showcasing his superhuman abilities i.e base power.

No one claimed this. I think you're just grossly overestimating the ki contained with that Kamehameha. Goku's stamina is horrendous at this point so it's possible that he's inefficient with his energy usage on top of that Kamehameha being hastily made. It's nowhere near as energy dense as you...

Why should it? That Kamehameha has a lot of power but that doesn't correlate to total energy which is what's really being added to Android 19 and Android 20's own reserves. You're just conflating power with volume and they're not the same.

@FeatsofPower What made you defer from Base Gotenks (Post) > SSJ Gotenks (Pre)?

What're you talking about? Gohan literally had no problems keeping up with Cell (vs. Goku).

And then he admits to not being able to salvage the situation and contemplates how he can win. Super Saiyan was never factored into winning which would be something considered if absolutely necessary.

So Gohan is contemplating his possibility in winning this and believes he can win by using his superhuman abilities i.e his base power?

Brother. His identity was already revealed ding dong.

If he's not even considering Super Saiyan, then it obviously means he doesn't need it. There is literally no logic in what you're saying.

I have no idea what you're talking about. He doesn't think about Super Saiyan until Kibito and Piccolo bring it up.

It's nearly impossible to handwave. Goku explicitly said that only Kibito and Kaioshin were the ones to watch out for. Kuririn is the only one shown to be worried about the other competitors. Even disregarding Vegeta because of arroagance cop out, Goku's statement is indisputable unless he's...

The main takeaway is that Goku isn't believed to be that far off from Cell whereas Piccolo is completely useless. It's more comparable to Vegeta vs. First Form Frieza where even Gohan and Kuririn, despite being significantly weaker than Vegeta, were still capable of contributing towards the...

This is better. A 1.5x increase for the Androids seemed too large and you had SSJ Sick Goku too close to Piccolo before. These numbers make more sense. Me personally: Android 19: 300 ~ Post: 350 Android 20: 385 ~ Post: 455 SSJ Goku (Sick): 470 Piccolo: 560 SSJ Trunks: 645 SSJ Goku: 672 SSJ...

Even with Cell Saga implications, I don't think Piccolo was ever intended to be close to Vegeta and Trunks. Piccolo should be below 50% MSSJ Goku. He views himself as completely useless against Cell after training in the Rosat. I think we should stick with the Buu Saga's implications. Piccolo's...

That's basically what it comes down to. We are initially given the impression that the kids are somewhat competitive with the adults. We're later revealed that the Base Kids are only on par with Android 18 whereas the Base Adults are above Piccolo and likely above Kaioshin by a significant...

By my subjective numbers, Vegeta. It's complicated because Trunks does use Super Saiyan to beat the Future Androids but he could have been proceeding cautiously.