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Because Gohan is already harnessing power beyond his own natural limits which would make it harder to control. Kikoho is also definitively weaker than Gohan's Masenko. Vegeta isn't concerned about Nappa taking the attack and it doesn't faze Nappa at all. Gohan's Masenko, on the other hand...

Goku's power is irrelevant here. He treats it as a substantial power-up in which Vegeta rose from a power roughly on par with Kaioken Goku's to 18k which only accounts for a ~10% difference. That was enough for Goku to conclude that there was a large speed difference between them whilst using...

What would you make of Vegeta's power-up against Goku which also elicited a significant reaction? I agree that the gaps are a bit too tight but not completely unjustified. Judging by Goku's battle against the Ginyu Force, we could infer that a 1.5x boost would be enough to completely blitz your...

Compared to the Cell Saga and Buu Saga? For one, there are not only more tanking feats, transformations, and fusion to take into account but more gap spacings in general. For one, Kid Gohan is stronger than Pre-Majin Vegeta who expects to beat Expected Teen Gohan and Teen Gohan was drastically...

That would only be the case if I argued that all large gaps are the same which I never did. Frieza obtained a substantial speed boost when he finally transformed. A 1.1x boost was enough Vegeta to hold a significant speed advantage against Kaioken Goku. Kaioken Goku as completely helpless and...

In general, yes but that depends. Ultimately, I go with what's official unless there is a blatant contradiction such as Frieza believing a power over 1 million would be relevant in RoF. The 3 million figure is tight but it doesn't really hold any contradictions.

You're dealing with a series that isn't always consistent. Regardless, the numbers work well enough with the gaps we are given.

It doesn't matter. This is what we have to work with and it doesn't contradict the manga in the least. It is certainly better than forging your own subjective numbers because you are uncomfortable with the official numbers that were given.

I love how clean a 4x SSJ2 multiplier is for Super Saiyan 3 but it doesn't work when you have a 4x SSJ multiplier for Super Saiyan 2 which is what I have. Battle of Gods seemed to have treated SSJ3 as a much bigger deal when Whis watched him battle Beerus. In the manga, I believe SSJ2 Goku was...

It's a little tight but it can still work. It's basically around the same difference or slightly greater than Vegeta's power-up against Kaioken Goku.

2nd Form Frieza: ~ Initial: 1,060,000 ~ Powered Up: 1,300,000 ~ Full Power: 1,550,000 Piccolo: ~ Weighted: 1,350,000 ~ Full Power: 1,600,000 3rd Form Frieza: 1,950,000 4th Form Frieza: ~Initial: 2,200,000 ~vs. Vegeta/Warm Up: 2,700,000 ~vs. Vegeta(Kick)/No Hands: 3,200,000 Vegeta: ~ Full...

The 3 million figure has always worked fine and I'm not really one to minimize gaps.

How strong was the attack Vegeta launched on Recoome and Frieza? Were they just unconcentrated blasts that Vegeta launched at full power?

@ahill1 It's honestly strange that you disregard the implications behind RoF Gohan > Piccolo because it came from Super to handwave the various implications that may suggest that the Base Saiyans were stronger than Piccolo. And then, suggest that the Saiyans could break the no-SSJ rule based on...

Based on his movement and reputation. A part of why Kaioshin was so impressed was because he didn't think they would easily beat Babidi's men on their own in the first place. He originally assumed they'd all need to work together to win.

@ahill1 That's fine but I still think you're coping. There is literally absolutely no reason to assume that they would go Super Saiyan when they agreed not to. This is just a roundabout way of handwaving specific implications presented to the reader. You should take them as they are just as you...

I don't think that's it. I believe the implication was that Goku was holding back far more power but they had no idea by how much. That led Tsuru to be uncertain as to whether or not Goku could do it. He had to see for himself whether Goku had the power to do it. Even Tenshinhan noted something...

I think part of the reason why Kaioshin was astonished because Vegeta defeated a powerful opponent so easily. Kaioshin makes it a point later on that he never expected the Saiyans to have been able to summon power that could defeat Babidi's men easily which is why they were so confident. That...

Personally, I think you're making your own assumptions to suit your narrative. Goku blatantly agreed to not using Super Saiyan at all staight-up. Arguing that he was going to use Super Saiyan in bursts is your own subtext. It's flat-out clear that they were never going to use Super Saiyan in...

Kaioshin makes it clear that he forgot about Super Saiyan 2 Gohan and finally understood why the Saiyans were confident against Babidi's henchmen once he recalled Super Saiyan 2 Gohan's power. It seems to me that Toriyama was retroactively making Super Saiyan 2 Gohan appear stupendous or as...