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I'm saying show it. I'm under no obligation to look it up myself.

Which is?

Cite the argument to me and I'll debunk it.

His idea of that timeline already having a future Trunks from another timeline that dies against 17 and 18 along with the other Z Fighters is entirely unsubstantiated and fabricated out of nothing. It's his headcanon, nothing more. If he owned up and called it headcanon and only presented it as...

It literally requires reading between the lines and then ignoring the lines.

Headcanon

But why would that debunk base Vegetto ~ Buuhan? Like what's the logical reason why this would consequently require base Vegetto to be weaker than Buuhan to a significant degree?

I still don't get it. Why does 1st form Freeza surpassing base Vegetto matter to the argument? Why would base Vegetto by consequence be required to be weaker than Buuhan?

By my old calculations base Gogeta is weaker than Super Buu and Rilldo surpasses "Buu". Rilldo was overpowered by Pan in one instance so Pan likely takes the win.

Wtf? When was that ever suggested? If Goku surpasses Gohan it's not from increasing a multiplier it's from increasing his base.

I'll need to see the source. If there was a time skip it wasn't clearly conveyed.

By the time DBS is supposed to start that's when Vegeta takes Trunks to the amusement park like he promised in the Buu saga. But this is supposedly years after the Buu saga.

Personally I think it's about Buu Saga Vegetto in particular. I think Vegetto may well vary depending on the era due to Goku and Vegeta's power not staying in the same relative proportions as they were Buu Saga. Looks like you're suggesting Vegetto should be much less than a SSJ4 multiplier...

"I'll take you to the park if you can land a hit on me." - Vegeta 5... Years... Later...

Let us know your thoughts.

@Spiral-Force I think it's trying to say specifically Buu Saga Vegetto is of a comparable level to if either Goku or Vegeta became SSJ4 in the Buu Saga. Vegetto in other sagas would scale differently to the SSJ4 multiplier because his components' levels and transformations changed.

It's literally made up out of nowhere.