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Piccolo crapped himself. He gained a large boost even when Nail increased his power tremendously.

So that limits us in many ways of how strong the adults can be. Unless you think the rage boost unlocked a whole new world for Gohan. Which is possible.

Look at Piccolo’s reaction to sending Freeza. Piccolo himself is most likely 350, so that won’t cut it. Piccolo + help most likely can’t defeat Freeza’s suppressed power.

Freeza did exactly what Raditz, Nappa, and Vegeta did on Earth. Freeza merely surfaced his ki.

Dabura >>> 3,000 killis It’s not about what they got right it’s how their false conclusions paint a specific narrative.

Do you think it includes Super Buu and Super Saiyan Gotenks? Then why does Gotenks exist?

They seem to have an understanding where the Saiyans are supposed to be

What we know about them is they have no understanding of how much power it takes to fill it up. I think they have something that predicts the future or something that tells them the Saiyans will fill it up or something

I couldn’t agree more

The only question is if the kids powered up since the Buu Saga, I’d argue they probably didn’t. What do you think? And then that has huge implications of where Vegeta and Trunks stood at the CG in relation to the Future Androids. Feels a bit weird to have Future Trunks multi folds the Androids...

Well that’s how it works. Until it’s revised we are stuck with it.

Gogeta shouldn’t be too far behind Vegetto, there’s really no reason for him to be.

No, Vegeta outright states Kid Trunks = Future Trunks right here. It’s as clear as day.

He implies he did right there in the statement.

Vegeta says “you saw my son”, when did 17 see his son?

I feel like this just suggests the old status quo AT considers... Super Saiyans > Piccolo > Base Boys I feel like in his head the boys, Gohan, Piccolo are all around the same power they had in the Buu Saga.

Yep

How strong is Piccolo?

Badibi is happy that Kaioshin has entered the ship. Him and Dabura agree that the Saiyans have marvelous energy and their power can be used to resurrect Buu. Badibi thinks that Pui Pui can defeat 3 Saiyans in a minute's time, with Kaioshin right there. Badibi thinks that Kaioshin is absolutely...

Raditz full on tanked Piccolo's ki blast. It's most likely unamped, but still, Piccolo's power here is 322. Raditz is at bare minimum double that. This is an interesting question I never thought about. As we generally assume, he's probably around 50% Freeza's power here, and he thinks he could...