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Wano specifically, I have to disagree. I mean, how can you think it’s fine? Big Mom becoming a comic relief character, many side characters (9 scabbards) being completely irrelevant, unresolved plot threads, lackluster fights, no real tension, and an arc that feels very rushed despite being 150...

A series is severely lacking if the actual storytelling from the main arcs fall short to OMG REVEALS!!!

I wish we got a RB/BT style game again. Messing around with all the characters is fucking dope.

Yasuhisa Hara

To uphold its writing quality, the Freeza arc (with some adjustments). However, the Cell and Boo arcs are too much a part of DB's legacy that I don't know if I'd prefer they never happened. Everything after that though, is not needed.

https://dbzeta.net/threads/why-im-not-a-one-piece-fan-anymore.20972/

Regardless of what Greenbull does to the straw hats, it's not gonna fix the problems with the Kaido/Big Mom conflict, the entire crux of the arc.

I was defending it because I thought there was MORE to the arc. As a finale, what was happening in the story was a joke compared to previous arcs, because all the payoffs to plot threads, character development, and stakes were abysmal. Which is why I thought Wano wasn't over and we would get...

I haven't watched the whole movie, but the complete form should look like Perfect Cell, no? Or does he look like the 2nd form Cell just because Toriyama likes that form?

It also might be because the Beerus wank is only a Toyotaro thing.

Since this movie was in the works since 2017, I somewhat think that the statements involving Gohan in the ToP (manga and anime) wanting to evolve on his own path were done because they already knew he would get a new form in this movie. Basically, the only piece of foreshadowing in DBS that...

In the movie verse, Beerus is still weaker than Broly and Jiren lol.

This movie doesn’t follow anime or manga. Goku and Vegeta limit is SSB. Jiren is still a wall that needs to be surpassed. You could make the argument for Gohan > Broly though, since Cell Max is probably close to that.

These guys are coping hard^

Wtf is this new nonsense that is being come up with Jiren.

Apparently the official name is Beast Gohan lol.

Broly is also a berserk monster so what difference would it make?

Let’s say we place Final Gohan in the manga right now. Who could he beat?

So from what I’ve heard, Gohan and Piccolo are stronger than Goku and Vegeta, yeah?