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My point was we don't know how long the fight lasted so they could have had a brief encounter where Gohan's stamina rapidly dropping within that timeframe was enough for Dabura to believe the fight was easy. Gohan was the one making wasted movements whereas Dabura benefited from using his magic...

We don't know how long their fight lasted. All we know is that Gohan needed a sensu after their fight whereas Dabura was completely fresh. A counterexample would be Goku vs. Frieza where Goku had a very easy time against Frieza once his stamina depleted and the fight itself barely took a few...

It was in my previous post. One reason would be that Gohan's stamina was lower and was making wasted movements. So while they were initially on par with each other, the gap widened when Gohan's stamina was falling faster than Dabura's.

I think there should be a significant difference. Just compare Mindless Nappa to Calm Nappa. Stark difference. This is also suggested when Jiren is stated to be close to Goku and Vegeta in terms of power much to Goku's surprise. Jiren seemed extremely powerful from Goku's perspective but Vegeta...

No. Controlling your battle power is something that is expressed to be important in Z with Nappa and Goku-Ginyu and something expressed to be important in Super Hero when Vegeta describes how Jiren's control over his battle power amplifies his power even further. Cell Max was essentially a...

Isn't that the case with Kid Gohan? Gohan couldn't even use that power voluntarily and only used it once against Cell, and yet it serves as a point of comparison for Goku and Vegeta in the Buu Saga. When Goku compared Broly to Beerus, he absolutely was taking into account FPSSJ Broly's power...

Couldn't there be another reason for that?

Toriyama said that a 50x multiplier was an exaggeration which is practically a hyperbole but he acknowledged that this was the case. An example of hyperbole would be when Cell stated Gohan wouldn't beat him if he trained for 100 years (or something along those lines). This is factually incorrect...

He did but RoF and Broly didn't require any real changes. It's something that aligns well with both the anime and manga. Super Hero was acknowledged to deviate from the manga by the executive producer at the DragonBall Room so I have my doubts that they would handle RoF and Broly the same way...

That's a loaded assumption. How do you know this?

I think I have Gogeta Blue slightly stronger than UI Omen Goku but weaker than Moro-73 (Initial).

As per your logic, there are other reasons why Dabura would be confident. For one, Gohan lost enough stamina during their fight where he had to take a sensu bean. In contrast, Dabura was sweating a bit but immediately caught his breath with no indication that his stamina had dropped by a large...

It doesn't. It's already established that the movie and manga are separate stories. People should really stop jumping the gun considering Toyotaro is finally adapting Super Hero within the manga.

Stamina at best but it wouldn't have made a difference. The story firmly establishes that Goku was stronger than Frieza.

Because it's dumb. Toriyama uses visual indicators to firmly establish new forms and loves hyping up new forms. The "Bi-Saiyan" theory is bogus, sorry. Not sorry.

Yeah, it seems reasonable. Goku surpassing Initial Semi Cell with Grade 3 practically requires that to be the case.

SSJBE Vegeta at the very least surpassed Broly based on how Whis claims that he couldn't find anyone stronger than Goku and Vegeta. Gogeta Blue wasn't that far ahead of Broly so it's possible that SSJBE Vegeta did surpass Gogeta Blue at the time. MUI Goku (Moro) ~ Merus > 73-Moro (Full Power) >...

Woah, I didn't expect to win a category at all. I appreciate the votes. I'll make sure to keep the debating at an even higher standard for 2023.

Yeah, the burst is definitely not Goku's full power. That is sort of hinted when Vegeta isn't entirely sure that Goku had surpassed Kid Gohan but only predicts that he did.

If you believe Vegetto > Gokhan, then he certainly can be. The possibility is not dismissed.