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Great work Pakl

Base Fusion seems to always be above the users top power. Base Gokan > Ultimate Gohan Base Gotenks > Ssj Kids Base Gogeta > SSJB Goku/Vegeta Base Vegetto > Ssj3 Goku (Buu Saga) And so on. Nerfed fusion multipliers are a possibility.

Yes he did, which explains why Yardrat Goku is so much stronger than Namek Goku despite Goku not doing much training other than IT training.

It seems likely that Ssj Majin Vegeta is a much bigger threat than Dabura.

So essentially we don't have any good reasoning to why Gohan is only a Super Saiyan and why Goku and Vegeta don't acknowledge that he just turned Super Saiyan 2 earlier in the day. Such a headache, but in all likelihood, just Super Saiyan does probably seem to be the most reasonable all things...

The idea that Cell could be so disrespected doesn't seem right. Especially at a time when Cell's top power is super relevant. It just doesn't add up. I do think as ahill has mentioned, Gohan's shock at the two of them being Super Saiyan 2s is probably the strongest evidence. I guess I will have...

The Daiz numbers for the Freeza Arc are wrong. They aren't consistent with the rest of the story.

The boys in the Super manga are struggling to fight off 7 Cell Juniors. That seems to be a pretty appropriate place to keep them. Above Trunks and Vegeta at the Cell Games.

Yeah, because we have a major issue with Base Saiyans > Kaioshin > Piccolo > Base Boys. As crazy as it sounds, it might be best to have Base Saiyans > Piccolo >Boys > Kaioshin.

Piccolo can't sense God ki. Perhaps Piccolo is actually stronger than Kaioshin?

Kai doesn't include that filler. You can make up some sort of nonsense for why they don't realize their own strength, but it's never really going to make all that much sense, although, whatever we come up with is probably much better than the reason 17 got to be Blue level training on an island...

I never said Kibito Kai wasn't Base Saiyan level. I just said he's definitely nowhere near Ssj2 level.

Yeah it's tough. But Gohan is a Saiyan and Goku is the strongest Saiyan. Not too sure how to handle that quote.

Yeah

Kid Buu Hax is far more devastating than previously thought. Kid Buu is the strongest Buu. Goku matches Kid Buu. Vegeta seems to get haxed with the two of them. Good Buu seems to be involved in the Hax as well. This carries over to Super. Although Super seems to imply this... Goku >...

Ah ok, so you are saying Kibitoshin wouldn't be included because of that.

The context was about individuals fusing.

Vegeta is one of the top 3 masters in this world and the next. He's clearly superior to Kibitoshin. Vegeta was able to stall for Goku. Kibitoshin even in the anime is only suggested to be able to stall for a second whereas Vegeta can stall for a minute.

Dragonball Super is canon.

They don't, Gohan was rusty and put of shape and Vegeta was tired from training. The kids are not impressive according to Goku. They are weaker than the Saiyans by a large degree. Even their Post rosat selves struggle with the Cell Jrs. CG Goku would never struggle with Cell Jrs.