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  1. Spiral-Force

    Did Cell's Kamehameha amp increase when he became SPC?

    The emphasis was on Cell's level-up altogether, in which stats follow suit. From his POV, perfectionism was properly realized this time despite the previous 'set back'. His KHH was significant in the sense that it's associated with solar system tier, standardizing that level of power rather than...
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    How strong is Gogeta? (manga)

    Potara runs out after an hour according to modern material. I know that Buu's body is a special case since that can even make Kais defuse.
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    How strong is Gogeta? (manga)

    Relative to his potara counterpart. They were both essentially deus ex machina options for whichever Buu is giving them more trouble than they bargained for. The concept of Vegito's longevity waned when we found out how the duration differs for mortals.
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    Was Goku Accepted As An Alien Solely Because He Was So Powerful?

    Both of those things didn't matter much in terms of accepting him, but being strong is definitely a bonus in terms of how his friends viewed him. Visible differences lightly hinted at him being different, but didn't stabilize in a way that would concern his origin in part 1. Power-related...
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    Are Saiyans The Alien, Or Are Humans The Alien?

    Given the bonds Goku formed on Earth, and him wanting to avoid association with Raditz, it would be the former. Though a Saiyan on the same page as him (F. Trunks - fights bad guys, grew up on Earth) will be treated like one of the team, though the F. Trunks situation is a rare one.
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    Is Vegeta searching for Goku canon? If not, do you think it fits his character at the time?

    If Vegeta 'found' him, then what? Seems like it'd be a rather awkward encounter.
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    Goku SSJ (M5) vs Goku SSJ (Post Yadart)?

    1. M5 Goku 2. Frieza crushes. Too early to sandbag with Kaioken against him
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    Beyblades

    Watched the original and the Metal Saga a long time ago. The format is what you would expect from an action Shonen - battle, training, rivalry, bonds, obstacles, etc. just channeled through spinning tops and the beasts associated with them. The beasts are based on a variety of different mythos...
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    Piccolo VS Kibito

    Kibito didn't seem to care for what Piccolo could do, but then again he held a default position that non-Gods are beneath his kind altogether, until Gohan threw a spanner in the works. Would give it to Piccolo since Kibito wasn't rock solid in terms of scaling. His ability to heal and teleport...
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    Vegeta SSJ2 (BoG / Movie) vs Goku SSJ2 (BoG / Movie)?

    Goku takes it. Wider moveset and doesn't get as panicky when things aren't going his way. Vegeta not only recognised Goku's talent for power gains, but also his approach to fighting as well as we saw from late Buu Arc.
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    How powerful was Future Goku SSJ (Before he got sick)?

    No problem GSM - you responded with something relevant and it technically wasn't you that revived the thread. From what I've seen, you usually stick to the topic in each debate, so you are not bothersome in the slightest.
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    Gotenks/Goku Power Difference Debate (Spiral-Force vs Kyo)

    A bit pedantic of you, especially with the timing, but sure.
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    How powerful was Future Goku SSJ (Before he got sick)?

    To revive this thread over that, and doing such in a separate thread... Find another user to obsess over. The manga would suggest that the situation calls for not only physical strength, but a strong will, with the latter being what Gohan thought he lacked in comparison with his father. I...
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    Regarding Vegeta's speech in the Kid Buu fight

    I'd say Vegeta's assessment works as a gist of what's mainly thought of by them. For instance, when a villain has done something unpleasant or sinister before Goku arrives to fight them, he tends to be serious and weighs up how he can use his resources and, as per Kaioken and such, ways to push...
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    Regarding Vegeta's speech in the Kid Buu fight

    What caught my attention is that Vegeta ascribes behavioral traits for why Goku is that good. While earlier in the arc, Majin Vegeta described Goku as being more gifted than he is. When you think of the term gifted, you usually think of something innate. What Vegeta mentioned in the Kid Buu...
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    Regarding Vegeta's speech in the Kid Buu fight

    Vegeta's analysis of why Goku is better than him: Vegeta fights to win, for the fun of it, to kill enemies, and to puff up his pride. Goku fights to better himself and to push his limits. The question is: if Vegeta used Goku's blueprint early (i.e. after their first fight), would this have...
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    SSJ4 Goku (Baby Saga) runs the DBS gauntlet

    As dominant as Goku was against SB2, all we know about Baby is that he'd maul Z Vegito essentially. Goku dogwalks ToP no-names and arguably the mid-tier, but struggles against baseline God-tier & above.
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